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and good evening Frank here with another

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edition of UFO news network Sunday

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tonight on a Monday evening we've got a

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special guest so let me bring in my

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usual co-host chant Hana and she will

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tell us all about him can't you do the

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honors thank you Frank

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I think our show got abducted for a

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moment we had some minor technical

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difficulties but anyway thank you very

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much for that fine introduction we have

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a very special person on our show

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tonight his name is Ray Edelman this Ray

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is one of the four co-founders of the

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dr. Edgar Mitchell foundation for

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research into extraterrestrial and

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extraordinary experiences or free

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answers on the free research committee

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ray is currently employed as an estate

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tax attorney with the US Department of

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Treasury he previously served as an

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adjunct professor for six years at the

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New School for Social Research and at

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the City University of New York he

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graduated with honors from Rutgers

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College was a master's candidate at

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Cornell University and was a PhD

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candidate at the University of

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California at Berkeley in C and regional

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planning where he was a recipient of a

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National Science Foundation ph.d

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fellowship welcome ray how are you doing

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this evening

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muchisimas gracias como star a coma stop

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Oh fantastic fantastic well Maria I

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wanted to bring up something interesting

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brea ports are very different from

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telepathy or clairvoyance ports may not

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necessarily happen on command either as

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some mediums or non mediums have tried

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successfully but also failed at this -

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please tell us the difference in the

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definition of this topic being a ports

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and then if you don't mind explaining

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teleportation also okay I could only

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speak by reference of individuals that

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have taken our survey and individuals

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that are spoken with approximately 25

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percent of the individuals of the 4,200

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individuals that took our survey

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mentioned that they had eight ports that

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just mysteriously appeared out of

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nowhere a ports are Fizz

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objects that were not originally in your

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home were in your room and that most of

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the time they appear in front of you or

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in a place where it's easy for you to to

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see there was a lady that you had on

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your show I think a while back ago that

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said that a penny just appeared right in

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front of her that happened to my wife

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twice where a penny just flew out of

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nowhere and put right in front of her

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under the bed of this deceased person

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that had collected pennies and so that's

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one incident but the the most important

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person that I've known that it has had

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countless of eight ports is my best

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friend who lives here in Miami and he

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has a whole shelf of a ports and it was

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Alexander dr. Jeffery Mishlove was a PhD

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in parapsychology oh yeah he he actually

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wrote a book many many years ago I

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forgot the name of the of the

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experiencer but it's a broad experience

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ER that that had many many a ports and

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ago and and and and I was introduced to

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that topic by I believe it was Stanley

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who wrote a paper and he's also very

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very famous parapsychologist he was a

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professor for many many years I believe

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really publicized this whole topic of a

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ports and let me just give you an

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illustration my where's ports are wrong

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neck these are objects that just

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mysteriously appeared he has four rings

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that have been brought here and all of

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them are his exact ring size and he's

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had tons of other objects

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and and chains have been transported we

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don't we know almost nothing about this

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phenomenon we can only describe the

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object and describe how it just popped

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into a lot of these people but the way

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these are man-made so we know very very

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little about it what we do know at least

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is the rings that they all fitted him

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all the five rings right that's

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fascinating I wanted to ask you kind of

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an odd question although I'm not sure if

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there's such thing as an odd question

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with this kind of interesting topic but

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do you think some items and museums are

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a quartz and people don't even know it

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many years his wife is a PhD

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psychologist their daughters a PhD

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psychologist and all three of them are

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experienced but the wife and my friend

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the male friend they're both in their

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early 70s and bravery educated people

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very professional and and the airport's

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type of experiences that bad and the

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experiencers again the airports is one

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type of paranormal phenomenon but these

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paranormal experiences and we can talk

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about that later

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reality in life that these experiences

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are living okay and also I wanted to

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mention to you we've had a huge leap of

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the evolution of learning on a short

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level thinking with stone tools to being

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brilliant prodigies who now use complex

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languages and rely upon the planet with

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our agriculture and technology how did

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we get here so fast do you think that

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accelerated learning again I could only

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talk about what has either been in our

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that question that you asked but what I

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talking over 4,000 people from over a

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numerous experiencers but here we have

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because I know I think you've been on

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this show before the new thinking aloud

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who's author of the roots of

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consciousness and PSI development

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systems and the PK man

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conjunction with having

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the possibility of ports actually

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evidence for that I've never read any

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events to that I've never seen anyone

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entire free foundation the academics we

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our organization is that when

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with the nonhuman intelligence or have

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a UFO craft okay these individuals have

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a increased paranormal experiences okay

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experiences and the hypotheses that a

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lot of people are circulating is that

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the the field of this multi-dimensional

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reality and then it's opened up these

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multi-dimensional paranormal experiences

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to their lives and again a lot of it is

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consciousness based if sort of let me

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near-death experience or you've been

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seems like your brain is serves as a

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reality so what ray do you mind if I

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virtual matrix reality well the best way

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to describe is the people that describe

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a near-death experience okay if you've

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ever seen the picture from Jodie Foster

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contact your okay I've had that

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experience and it's extremely difficult

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to describe it because it seems physical

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and non-physical okay it's a reality

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where there's no time when I had my

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experience you get brought out and by

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the time I returned no time have been

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spent so it you know you're not in a

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three-dimensional reality but it seems

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very physical in a sense but what you're

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seeing and you're observing is not

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physical I I guess like the best way to

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do is for people to start reading the

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literature listen to the YouTube videos

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of near-death experiences describing

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that that place that they get brought to

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so it's very easy for you to understand

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that this is not 3d I understand I

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wanted to read something that's kind of

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interesting and see if you have a

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physical a mental medium communicates

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of mediumship that is demonstrated most

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by levitations wrappings supports

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telekinesis of objects psychic lights

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and so on and then it says Alan Kardec

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whose real name was you know what HIPPA

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lady was a French doctor and author of

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the spirits book and kardec accumulated

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a wealth of info about spirits through

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various mediums and he said this the

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spirit world is the normal primitive

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eternal world pre-existent - and

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surviving everything else

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spirits temporarily assume a perishable

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material envelope the destruction of

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which by death restores them to Liberty

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the soul is incarnated spirit whose body

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is only

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it's envelope a spirit therefore is not

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an abstract undefined being only to be

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conceived of by our thought it is real

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circumscribed being wanted to ask you it

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says also to explain the PSI events that

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occur in the presence of physical

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mediums car duck car duck further claims

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that spirits are everywhere in space and

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around us seeing us mix in mixing with

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us incessantly they act both upon matter

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and a pomp thought and constitute one of

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the powers of nature the efficient cause

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of many classes of phenomena here two

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unexplained or misinterpreted since

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spirits according to that idea are

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around us in mixing with us incessantly

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and they act upon both matter and pond

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thought is it possible that spirits have

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been responsible for reports do you feel

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that that's a possibility we just and we

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know very little about it so everything

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is up in the air let me just state that

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dr. Gary Schwartz I don't know if you've

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ever heard the name dr. Gary Schwartz

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received a PhD in psychology from

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Harvard University he then taught at

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Harvard University and then became a

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tenured professor at Yale University so

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we're talking the cream of the crop here

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and he was lured approximately 18 years

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ago to the University of Arizona because

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they gave him a whole boatload of money

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they said most of the time you could

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dedicate yourself to research and they

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gave him and he was able to secure

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additional money for a research lab

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myself free director dr. Rudy shields

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who is an emeritus professor of

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astrophysics at Harvard University and

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several other of our academics we toured

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his facility at the University of

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Arizona

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he has approximately ten different rooms

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with sophisticated electronic devices

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and what he's doing is exactly discussed

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him with mediums and trying to get the

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deceased entities to interfere with

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with different electronic hardware so

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it's it's um it's it's um psychokinesis

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taking place through a medium by a

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spirit for just a little brief example

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they have a machine that's like a laser

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and they have a measuring instrument

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that records 100% when the laser is

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being unimpeded you put your hand

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through it and all of a sudden it goes

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to zero okay so they'll tell the medium

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to communicate with the spirit that they

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communicate with and they said if the

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the spirit can impede into that and so

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it goes in there and it impedes it now

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whether it's the medium or the spirit we

353
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just don't know okay but they do put the

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medium in a in a Faraday cage under

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controlled mechanisms I don't know the

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full details of his protocols but he

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went into detail how all of this was a

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double-blind experiments things of that

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sort so dr. Gary Schwartz is has 15

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years worth of date a hard core data the

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problem is is that where in the hell

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he's gonna be able to publish it because

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no reputable quote-unquote scientific

364
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academic would publish this thing

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because here is this this you know

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professor was a full tenured professor

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at Harvard and Yale and now at Arizona

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with with numerous publications which

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shows actual data all done according to

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academic standards for four different

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psychological tests so what you just

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said is is being duplicated right now

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and he's not the only one there's

374
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several others that are doing it Dean

375
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Radin is doing many uh he's the the

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chief scientist at the Institute for

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noetic Sciences and that's the Institute

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that one of our co-founders the late dr.

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Edgar Mitchell found founded back in

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1972 for over 20 years he's been doing

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again scientific double-blind

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experiments on psychokinesis on on

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channeling but mainly the eatest

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and again it's a beyond a shadow of a

385
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doubt he's shown that ESP is

386
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statistically significant yes it does

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exist I wanted to mention something

388
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interesting for our listeners and that

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is the Stanford University Museum has

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supported objects they just keep that

391
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under cover and the University of

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Manitoba Canada also has all of Stanley

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Crippler supports also were you aware of

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that yes I was and I'm sure that there's

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many individuals all over the world that

396
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have a ports like my friend Alberto if

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he were to die his wife would would

398
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probably give them away to everybody not

399
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really tell them they said well this is

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something special I popped in you know

401
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and he might give me a few give someone

402
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else a few he's given away like more

403
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than half of his eight ports to other

404
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experiences and but people keep quiet

405
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about it what we determined in our

406
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survey was that the overwhelmingly

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majority of people that took our surveys

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they've never spoken to anyone about the

409
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experiences that said maybe a close

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relative so it's no one knows about

411
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these eight points very few people I

412
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wanted to bring up something that Grand

413
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actually sent me and that was on another

414
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show we did regarding of ports and hmm

415
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and that was a document that says

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confidential July 1972 fully developed

417
00:20:05,539 --> 00:20:03,840
this technique it just goes on because

418
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:05,549
it's actually it's a part of another

419
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:07,200
document so I'm just gonna go and start

420
00:20:11,869 --> 00:20:09,450
talking from from the fragment of the

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sentence it says fully developed this

422
00:20:15,470 --> 00:20:13,350
technique would make possible the

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abduction of actual objects including

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documents in enemy territory and

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therefore transfer to friendly territory

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objects so abducted are known as

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supports they could be returned to the

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point of origin without the enemy

429
00:20:29,330 --> 00:20:26,999
becoming aware of this temporary

430
00:20:30,919 --> 00:20:29,340
abduction says number three some of the

431
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world's most eminent scientists from the

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late 1800s and the early 1900's have

433
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claimed to have witnessed a port

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00:20:38,930 --> 00:20:35,850
phenomena

435
00:20:41,539 --> 00:20:38,940
these include Sir William Crookes 1832

436
00:20:43,279 --> 00:20:41,549
to 1919 British chemist and physicist

437
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discoverer of the element thallium and

438
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former president of the British

439
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Association for the Advancement of

440
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science Alfred Russel Wallace 1823 to

441
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1913 British naturalist and Co discover

442
00:20:56,300 --> 00:20:55,169
with Charles Darwin of the theory of

443
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evolution and

444
00:21:01,970 --> 00:21:00,420
John KF Zollner 1834 to 1882 professor

445
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:01,980
of physical astronomy at the University

446
00:21:06,740 --> 00:21:04,530
of Leeds eastern Germany says number

447
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four in the discussion of such esoteric

448
00:21:10,700 --> 00:21:08,640
subjects as courts it is deemed

449
00:21:12,050 --> 00:21:10,710
sufficient to relate only one experience

450
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:12,060
claimed to have occurred to Sir William

451
00:21:17,030 --> 00:21:14,400
Crookes the interested reader can't

452
00:21:18,770 --> 00:21:17,040
consult the non cited bibliography for

453
00:21:20,660 --> 00:21:18,780
further references I wanted to actually

454
00:21:23,300 --> 00:21:20,670
ask you a question about that gave me an

455
00:21:25,610 --> 00:21:23,310
idea regarding the abduction of actual

456
00:21:27,860 --> 00:21:25,620
objects including documents in enemy

457
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:27,870
territory and then they're transferred

458
00:21:33,950 --> 00:21:29,730
to friendly territory do you think it's

459
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:33,960
possible that our government or any

460
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:36,090
government around the world might be

461
00:21:41,780 --> 00:21:38,610
involved in attempting to aport objects

462
00:21:43,790 --> 00:21:41,790
for intelligence purposes there's so

463
00:21:51,860 --> 00:21:43,800
much going on on the Internet

464
00:21:54,260 --> 00:21:51,870
okay and so I've never seen anything

465
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:54,270
written about it to substantiate it any

466
00:21:59,180 --> 00:21:57,570
documentation nothing about it to me

467
00:22:00,140 --> 00:21:59,190
it's just another that's taking

468
00:22:03,740 --> 00:22:00,150
place on the Internet

469
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:03,750
I however like any instrument

470
00:22:09,530 --> 00:22:06,810
it does contain kernels of truths in it

471
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:09,540
okay so all those people that have seen

472
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a ports that's the truth okay all those

473
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people and let me throw in now Edgar

474
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Mitchell let me tell you two stories of

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eight ports that Edgar told me okay he

476
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was at the Stanford Research Institute

477
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1972 he was the person that flew out to

478
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Israel to bring in uri geller he was the

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first person that they began to do

480
00:22:36,530 --> 00:22:32,550
experiments with okay this is for the

481
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remote viewing project okay and it was

482
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some intelligence person from Israeli

483
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intelligence told someone from the US

484
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intelligence who then told Edgar Edgar

485
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then got the telephone number contacted

486
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the Israeli intelligence person they

487
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:49,830
told him about Yuri Geller and they said

488
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can I go and meet this guy he went out

489
00:22:55,070 --> 00:22:52,800
there and interviewed him and then

490
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convinced him to come to the Stanford

491
00:22:59,630 --> 00:22:57,390
Research Institute Edgar told me that

492
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two things were all of a sudden

493
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:02,220
mysteriously transported to him things

494
00:23:09,470 --> 00:23:06,290
that he had lost okay one was a TSP

495
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:09,480
holder like when you take a teaspoon and

496
00:23:14,299 --> 00:23:10,080
you squeeze

497
00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:14,309
I forgot the formal name for that that

498
00:23:19,810 --> 00:23:16,440
all of a sudden felt like a weighted

499
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:19,820
thing on his jacket on his suit jacket

500
00:23:27,889 --> 00:23:23,730
and when he reached in there okay it was

501
00:23:31,460 --> 00:23:27,899
the teaspoon holder and it was you know

502
00:23:34,009 --> 00:23:31,470
it's quite heavy and he he wore that

503
00:23:37,460 --> 00:23:34,019
suit a lot of time you know the last

504
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:37,470
month okay and and he had you know

505
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:39,450
dry-cleaned and all of this stuff so

506
00:23:44,060 --> 00:23:41,730
this thing just mysteriously appeared

507
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:44,070
the other thing was his shirt in his

508
00:23:47,090 --> 00:23:44,880
shirt pocket

509
00:23:50,389 --> 00:23:47,100
he had lost he said it was like a medal

510
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:50,399
of his brother from the Korean War and

511
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,250
he was so upset because he had lost it

512
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:56,159
and I believe his his brother had died I

513
00:24:01,370 --> 00:23:59,279
don't recall that part but I believe

514
00:24:03,049 --> 00:24:01,380
that's what he told me and then all of a

515
00:24:07,070 --> 00:24:03,059
sudden in his shirt pocket

516
00:24:09,289 --> 00:24:07,080
okay was this medal of his brother that

517
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:09,299
all of a sudden was like banging on his

518
00:24:13,820 --> 00:24:11,970
chest you know he was like what the hell

519
00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:13,830
is that and he loved it he popped it out

520
00:24:18,019 --> 00:24:16,110
and he says both of the times he was

521
00:24:22,519 --> 00:24:18,029
walking down the hall with Uri Geller oh

522
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,529
my gosh okay and and as told the story

523
00:24:26,659 --> 00:24:24,960
before you would have to go through you

524
00:24:28,909 --> 00:24:26,669
know hundreds of his interviews to try

525
00:24:31,940 --> 00:24:28,919
to pull that out but Edgar told me that

526
00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:31,950
story yeah and he told me lots of other

527
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:36,510
stuff about about uri geller yeah and

528
00:24:40,909 --> 00:24:38,010
also I find it interesting about the

529
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:40,919
spoon story because for the item related

530
00:24:44,810 --> 00:24:42,720
to the spoon because Murray has

531
00:24:47,299 --> 00:24:44,820
supposedly probably the biggest

532
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:47,309
collection of spoons on the planet and

533
00:24:51,169 --> 00:24:49,679
as you know that's that's his thing so

534
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,179
it's just interesting that happened

535
00:24:56,509 --> 00:24:53,760
while he was there wanted to bring up an

536
00:24:58,909 --> 00:24:56,519
interesting report that I found and that

537
00:25:01,129 --> 00:24:58,919
is a teleportation physics study that

538
00:25:04,129 --> 00:25:01,139
was done by the Air Force Research

539
00:25:06,289 --> 00:25:04,139
Laboratory at Air Force Materiel Command

540
00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:06,299
Edwards Air Force Base and his

541
00:25:09,379 --> 00:25:08,100
teleportation physics study I'll go

542
00:25:11,539 --> 00:25:09,389
ahead and just read the abstract it's

543
00:25:12,590 --> 00:25:11,549
very short it says this study was tasked

544
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:12,600
with the purpose of collecting

545
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,850
information described describing a

546
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:16,559
teleportation of material objects

547
00:25:21,049 --> 00:25:18,330
providing a description of teleportation

548
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,059
as it occurs in physics it's theoretical

549
00:25:25,460 --> 00:25:23,520
and experimental status and

550
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:25,470
objection of potential applications it

551
00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:27,120
goes on for a while regarding

552
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:29,310
contemporary physics and of course

553
00:25:38,150 --> 00:25:32,090
wanted to ask you do you feel that

554
00:25:40,270 --> 00:25:38,160
physics can it can't support the idea of

555
00:25:42,980 --> 00:25:40,280
a quartz or are we alone we often that

556
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,990
well I mean the whole topic of

557
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:44,240
teleportation

558
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,010
you know physicists and scientists have

559
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:48,960
known about it for many many many years

560
00:25:53,780 --> 00:25:51,210
I think the first experiment and again

561
00:25:56,090 --> 00:25:53,790
I'm not a physicist it's just that I

562
00:25:58,850 --> 00:25:56,100
have a personal interest in this so I'm

563
00:26:02,080 --> 00:25:58,860
talking outside of free you know just my

564
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:02,090
own personal interest that they actually

565
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:06,720
teleported I think it was it was a

566
00:26:14,060 --> 00:26:12,090
photon from in the Canary Islands which

567
00:26:15,980 --> 00:26:14,070
was I forgot how many miles it was

568
00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:15,990
eighty miles that was the first time

569
00:26:22,670 --> 00:26:19,110
that they ever had a teleported a a

570
00:26:25,580 --> 00:26:22,680
photon which is a light particle and

571
00:26:27,860 --> 00:26:25,590
then I forgot how long ago that wasn't

572
00:26:30,170 --> 00:26:27,870
it was 15 years ago again I'm not an

573
00:26:32,110 --> 00:26:30,180
expert in this but I know that now

574
00:26:34,220 --> 00:26:32,120
most of the major universities

575
00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:34,230
physics-based universities around the

576
00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:36,840
world have duplicated that and I've

577
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:40,860
actually gone from from a photon to I

578
00:26:45,770 --> 00:26:43,290
believed molecules it's very simple

579
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:45,780
molecules so it is taking place and

580
00:26:50,270 --> 00:26:48,450
there was also speculation that in the

581
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:50,280
future as this technology gets developed

582
00:26:55,550 --> 00:26:52,650
that eventually you might be able to

583
00:26:58,190 --> 00:26:55,560
teleport you know larger physical

584
00:27:00,050 --> 00:26:58,200
objects including the possibility in the

585
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,060
very in the future we don't know how

586
00:27:04,550 --> 00:27:02,640
long but of actual people but the

587
00:27:07,220 --> 00:27:04,560
problem is with teleportation is that

588
00:27:09,890 --> 00:27:07,230
the waste theoretically it works is that

589
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:09,900
you're destroying an object and you're

590
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:11,850
recreating the object at the other end

591
00:27:17,780 --> 00:27:15,570
so you're getting returned and as you're

592
00:27:20,270 --> 00:27:17,790
destroying it but you're making like a

593
00:27:22,730 --> 00:27:20,280
copy of it and you're beaming the copy

594
00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:22,740
to another location and at least that's

595
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:25,380
my late person's understanding of it but

596
00:27:30,050 --> 00:27:27,570
but yes it's teleportation is taking

597
00:27:32,660 --> 00:27:30,060
place I had a situation occur to me that

598
00:27:34,850 --> 00:27:32,670
I wanted to talk to you about I was

599
00:27:36,410 --> 00:27:34,860
living alone for a while it was probably

600
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:36,420
about

601
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:38,730
I can't remember me a couple decades or

602
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:40,890
more ago I didn't really think anything

603
00:27:49,250 --> 00:27:45,510
of this I woke up and on my kitchen

604
00:27:51,260 --> 00:27:49,260
counter was a strawberry a crystal that

605
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:51,270
it's actually called strawberry crystal

606
00:27:54,830 --> 00:27:52,320
I think it's like from Russia or

607
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:54,840
something but I collect I'm a rock

608
00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:56,490
collector and I had been looking for

609
00:28:00,890 --> 00:27:58,530
this rock everywhere I knew it was gone

610
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:00,900
because that was my favorite rock I

611
00:28:06,530 --> 00:28:03,809
walked in my kitchen and on the island

612
00:28:10,010 --> 00:28:06,540
of my kitchen there was my strawberry

613
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:10,020
crystal sitting there and I knew I had

614
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:13,890
not found it nobody was in my house so I

615
00:28:18,650 --> 00:28:16,020
couldn't understand what happened and

616
00:28:21,289 --> 00:28:18,660
then when I asked grant Cameron to do

617
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:21,299
Shana ports it suddenly occurred to me

618
00:28:26,930 --> 00:28:25,410
that that could be a possibility but it

619
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:26,940
was very difficult for me to wrap my

620
00:28:33,049 --> 00:28:29,970
mind around it because this object had

621
00:28:37,010 --> 00:28:33,059
not been there for a long time and

622
00:28:38,659 --> 00:28:37,020
suddenly just appeared and then what I

623
00:28:40,220 --> 00:28:38,669
did was they put it in a safe place I

624
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:40,230
know the place I put it in because I

625
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:41,760
would always check it to make sure it

626
00:28:45,919 --> 00:28:43,650
was there it disappeared

627
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:45,929
oh yeah yeah it's extremely common I

628
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,440
have a friend my best friend again that

629
00:28:53,870 --> 00:28:51,360
had an ancient Chinese sword appeared to

630
00:28:56,030 --> 00:28:53,880
him and he captured it with a Polaroid

631
00:28:57,530 --> 00:28:56,040
camera I think I might have sent it to

632
00:29:01,010 --> 00:28:57,540
you awhile when you had that show in a

633
00:29:04,730 --> 00:29:01,020
ports mm-hmm okay this is a huge Chinese

634
00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:04,740
sword from 600 BC and and that was

635
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:07,140
immediately after this uh Chinese

636
00:29:12,409 --> 00:29:09,450
warlord physically appeared to him and

637
00:29:14,539 --> 00:29:12,419
told him about about his past life they

638
00:29:17,060 --> 00:29:14,549
told them you know the Warlord's name

639
00:29:19,460 --> 00:29:17,070
that he was his adopted son in a past

640
00:29:21,470 --> 00:29:19,470
life and and told him his name in his

641
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:21,480
history and when it's a detail and I

642
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:23,010
said if you don't believe me go to the

643
00:29:27,650 --> 00:29:25,440
book store look up my name go to the

644
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:27,660
library and and if it's a good book it

645
00:29:32,659 --> 00:29:29,610
should mention your name as well okay so

646
00:29:34,730 --> 00:29:32,669
the next day he read to the library and

647
00:29:37,090 --> 00:29:34,740
he did find that book you know from the

648
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:37,100
600 BC very famous Chinese warlord

649
00:29:41,870 --> 00:29:39,570
everything was all there it even

650
00:29:44,270 --> 00:29:41,880
mentioned he had 23 kills you know this

651
00:29:46,820 --> 00:29:44,280
is my friend that his past life well a

652
00:29:49,070 --> 00:29:46,830
few days later in the living room boom

653
00:29:51,109 --> 00:29:49,080
there you know a noise and

654
00:29:53,409 --> 00:29:51,119
you know he runs over there and is this

655
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:53,419
sword and guess how many notches it had

656
00:30:01,129 --> 00:29:58,799
23 23 notches his wife who's the PC

657
00:30:03,289 --> 00:30:01,139
psychologist they they lead a crazy

658
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:03,299
paranormal life SOTA they didn't blink

659
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:05,610
an eye right and he read he had told

660
00:30:09,499 --> 00:30:07,110
that the story about the warlord and

661
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:09,509
this other statute this Chinese statute

662
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:12,210
of the warlord had been a appearing and

663
00:30:15,889 --> 00:30:13,289
disappearing appearing and disappearing

664
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:15,899
you know for a couple of days now and

665
00:30:19,970 --> 00:30:18,330
then the sword stayed in their house I

666
00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:19,980
have for the day they would taking

667
00:30:23,539 --> 00:30:22,289
polaroid pictures of it the wife was the

668
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:23,549
wife didn't want to touch it you know

669
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:27,330
and and and then by the end of the day

670
00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:29,609
both they put it in a safe place you

671
00:30:36,619 --> 00:30:32,369
know in the corner somewhere and poof it

672
00:30:38,749 --> 00:30:36,629
was gone so I was gonna ask you that

673
00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:38,759
strawberry crystal that appeared in my

674
00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:41,129
on the island in my kitchen and then

675
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:44,129
just disappeared later much to my

676
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:48,570
disappointment when I had that show with

677
00:30:53,419 --> 00:30:50,730
the Frank and Grant Cameron and many

678
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:53,429
other people on a ports if suddenly

679
00:30:58,669 --> 00:30:56,159
struck me during the show but I didn't

680
00:31:02,840 --> 00:30:58,679
bring it up the question I have is is it

681
00:31:05,119 --> 00:31:02,850
possible for ports to just become sort

682
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:05,129
of a liminal object liminal means it's

683
00:31:09,349 --> 00:31:06,720
neither here nor there

684
00:31:12,409 --> 00:31:09,359
it will never be stationary it will just

685
00:31:14,779 --> 00:31:12,419
always travel is that possible that it

686
00:31:17,419 --> 00:31:14,789
will always just be in a port or objects

687
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:17,429
that are accorded that is the pattern

688
00:31:23,180 --> 00:31:19,769
that they will encounter for the rest of

689
00:31:24,769 --> 00:31:23,190
their object lives so to speak it's not

690
00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:24,779
the eight ports of my friend he's had

691
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:27,960
the vast majority of state some of them

692
00:31:33,710 --> 00:31:30,210
have disappeared but very few of them

693
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:33,720
have disappeared now in terms of you

694
00:31:39,289 --> 00:31:36,090
know what is this we can only speculate

695
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:39,299
we don't know if this is some non-human

696
00:31:44,060 --> 00:31:41,850
intelligence that is always around us

697
00:31:46,609 --> 00:31:44,070
that's interacting with us like you have

698
00:31:48,289 --> 00:31:46,619
you know guardian angel around you

699
00:31:50,479 --> 00:31:48,299
that's always interacting with you and

700
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:50,489
you you know you thought about it and

701
00:31:55,489 --> 00:31:52,799
then Puma gave you that to say look you

702
00:31:57,710 --> 00:31:55,499
know our reality is not what it is begin

703
00:32:01,310 --> 00:31:57,720
to think a little more more complex

704
00:32:01,910 --> 00:32:01,320
about our reality okay and it did lead

705
00:32:05,780 --> 00:32:01,920
that

706
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:05,790
once you've had these April's you start

707
00:32:10,730 --> 00:32:07,290
thinking a little bit more deeply about

708
00:32:12,380 --> 00:32:10,740
your reality okay or maybe another

709
00:32:14,810 --> 00:32:12,390
hypotheses the way to look at is that

710
00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:14,820
look this is not some external non-human

711
00:32:19,250 --> 00:32:16,260
intelligence but this is your

712
00:32:21,290 --> 00:32:19,260
consciousness okay because our reality

713
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:21,300
is a consciousness based reality it's

714
00:32:25,610 --> 00:32:25,050
not really primarily a physical it's

715
00:32:28,460 --> 00:32:25,620
reality

716
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:28,470
it's primarily a consciousness based

717
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:30,810
reality and so what it is is that your

718
00:32:36,020 --> 00:32:32,610
consciousness which is independent of

719
00:32:38,150 --> 00:32:36,030
your body okay wanted that you've been

720
00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:38,160
wanting it for so long that you wished

721
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:41,220
it and and and it appeared okay now

722
00:32:48,580 --> 00:32:45,330
again this you've heard these theories

723
00:32:50,660 --> 00:32:48,590
that we live in a simulated reality yes

724
00:32:53,690 --> 00:32:50,670
okay that entails that there's a

725
00:32:57,380 --> 00:32:53,700
computer simulator behind that there is

726
00:33:00,860 --> 00:32:57,390
a universal mind behind it whatever this

727
00:33:06,830 --> 00:33:00,870
is we always think of this as an anthro

728
00:33:08,690 --> 00:33:06,840
prowl you know a a man-made type of God

729
00:33:10,850 --> 00:33:08,700
where it's like a human with a beard and

730
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,860
things of that sort but we just don't

731
00:33:13,370 --> 00:33:12,720
know the vast complexities of what this

732
00:33:19,790 --> 00:33:13,380
could be

733
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:19,800
super advanced intelligence that has no

734
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:22,650
physical form that we are part of it

735
00:33:29,030 --> 00:33:25,290
okay that we're interacting as part of a

736
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:29,040
conscious maist phenomenon these are

737
00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:30,690
just theories that many many PhD

738
00:33:36,380 --> 00:33:33,960
physicists are circulating in in prints

739
00:33:37,940 --> 00:33:36,390
and I was there saying MIT alone there

740
00:33:40,130 --> 00:33:37,950
are three tenured three vertical

741
00:33:41,450 --> 00:33:40,140
physicists that believe in the simulated

742
00:33:42,980 --> 00:33:41,460
reality okay

743
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:42,990
and there's countless of other

744
00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:48,240
philosophers I mean from Plato the

745
00:33:51,710 --> 00:33:49,620
allegory in the cave you're talking

746
00:33:53,810 --> 00:33:51,720
about well that's just an example but

747
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:53,820
but the whole aspect of debate of

748
00:33:59,930 --> 00:33:55,890
philosophy of the mind which started

749
00:34:04,910 --> 00:33:59,940
with the way before the Greeks you know

750
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:04,920
even with the with the Indian Vedic

751
00:34:12,990 --> 00:34:09,330
philosophy all the way through Middle

752
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:14,940
through the Greeks and the Romans you

753
00:34:19,530 --> 00:34:17,280
know this whole concept that our

754
00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:19,540
materiality is not primary that it's

755
00:34:24,090 --> 00:34:21,369
consciousness based so the allegory of

756
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:24,100
the cave is just a Western concept of

757
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:27,280
that that uh that uh was at that Plato

758
00:34:31,770 --> 00:34:29,290
you know wrote and which is very

759
00:34:34,050 --> 00:34:31,780
well-known in Western civilization so

760
00:34:36,210 --> 00:34:34,060
again that what I think that is

761
00:34:38,580 --> 00:34:36,220
happening is that these types of

762
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:38,590
phenomenon are getting us to step

763
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:41,200
outside of our shoes comfort zone and

764
00:34:45,619 --> 00:34:43,090
start thinking about a little bit more

765
00:34:48,930 --> 00:34:45,629
of the complexities and this is what

766
00:34:51,389 --> 00:34:48,940
what the free organization is doing okay

767
00:34:53,580 --> 00:34:51,399
because our perspective is we're not a

768
00:34:55,830 --> 00:34:53,590
ufology organization we're an

769
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:55,840
organization that's studying what is

770
00:35:00,540 --> 00:34:58,240
consciousness what is the relationship

771
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:00,550
between consciousness and our cosmology

772
00:35:05,250 --> 00:35:02,890
because we have numerous physicists in

773
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:05,260
our organization and what is the

774
00:35:10,050 --> 00:35:07,090
relationship between consciousness or

775
00:35:13,380 --> 00:35:10,060
cosmology and what we call the contact

776
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:13,390
modalities now for your audience members

777
00:35:17,970 --> 00:35:16,240
the contact modalities very simple way

778
00:35:20,370 --> 00:35:17,980
of looking at it is all the different

779
00:35:22,380 --> 00:35:20,380
ways that humans are piercing the wheel

780
00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:22,390
and having contact with non-human

781
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:26,220
intelligence for example UFO contact

782
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:28,450
out-of-body experiences near-death

783
00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:31,210
experiences remote viewing people that

784
00:35:36,210 --> 00:35:32,950
have seen and communicate with ghosts

785
00:35:40,770 --> 00:35:36,220
and and spirits hallucinogenic journeys

786
00:35:43,380 --> 00:35:40,780
okay etc etc all of these phenomena are

787
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:43,390
different ways that humans are having

788
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:45,010
contact with non-human intelligence and

789
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:47,170
we believe that it's all interrelated

790
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,650
now the one of the components that

791
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:52,240
they're interrelated is that all of them

792
00:35:58,620 --> 00:35:54,970
involve a manipulation of space-time and

793
00:36:01,770 --> 00:35:58,630
by definition that means that this is

794
00:36:04,620 --> 00:36:01,780
multi-dimensional in nature okay

795
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:04,630
and we also further to add on top of

796
00:36:10,590 --> 00:36:07,930
that is that we believe that our reality

797
00:36:13,230 --> 00:36:10,600
is consciousness based which even adds

798
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:13,240
another layer to it and the reason why

799
00:36:18,450 --> 00:36:15,609
we did our academic research study on

800
00:36:20,820 --> 00:36:18,460
UFO contact experiences was that there

801
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:20,830
was absolutely nothing that has been

802
00:36:25,140 --> 00:36:22,960
written academically about the UFO

803
00:36:25,860 --> 00:36:25,150
contact phenomenon we actually knew

804
00:36:28,650 --> 00:36:25,870
almost

805
00:36:31,170 --> 00:36:28,660
nothing about the phenomenon so how

806
00:36:34,410 --> 00:36:31,180
could you then begin to compare the UFO

807
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:34,420
contact experiences with the experiences

808
00:36:38,130 --> 00:36:36,010
of the near-death experiences which

809
00:36:40,110 --> 00:36:38,140
there's a whole ton of academic

810
00:36:42,810 --> 00:36:40,120
literature on you just could make that

811
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:42,820
comparison but now we have the basic

812
00:36:48,570 --> 00:36:46,210
data to be able to begin to analyze how

813
00:36:51,570 --> 00:36:48,580
are they common and we have identified

814
00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:51,580
more than 50 commonalities just between

815
00:36:56,490 --> 00:36:52,510
n tes

816
00:36:59,100 --> 00:36:56,500
and UFO contact experiences can you give

817
00:37:01,500 --> 00:36:59,110
us a like a quick quick example that

818
00:37:02,970 --> 00:37:01,510
really stand out now quick two or three

819
00:37:07,890 --> 00:37:02,980
that really jump out at you

820
00:37:11,220 --> 00:37:07,900
similarities I'll give you just a just a

821
00:37:13,590 --> 00:37:11,230
few of them okay let me give it a talk

822
00:37:15,330 --> 00:37:13,600
about very very quickly okay first of

823
00:37:17,340 --> 00:37:15,340
all communication in a near-death

824
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:17,350
experience and communication with

825
00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:19,810
ufo-related non-human intelligence how

826
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:23,710
is it it's telepathic it's no man it's

827
00:37:29,250 --> 00:37:26,410
not mouth to mouth also in certain ones

828
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:29,260
native language did you guys ever think

829
00:37:35,250 --> 00:37:32,560
about that okay both of these phenomenon

830
00:37:37,590 --> 00:37:35,260
involving out-of-body experience in the

831
00:37:39,630 --> 00:37:37,600
UFO contact experiences eighty percent

832
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:39,640
of the individuals had an out-of-body

833
00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:43,330
experience in again the vast majority of

834
00:37:47,970 --> 00:37:45,730
these near-death experiences it starts

835
00:37:49,770 --> 00:37:47,980
off with an OBE people are seeing their

836
00:37:51,540 --> 00:37:49,780
body underneath okay

837
00:37:55,230 --> 00:37:51,550
or people that their consciousness

838
00:37:57,720 --> 00:37:55,240
leaves their body okay also the number

839
00:38:00,270 --> 00:37:57,730
one type of being in our free

840
00:38:02,010 --> 00:38:00,280
ufo-related study that people have

841
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:02,020
interacted with that I've seen is an

842
00:38:09,150 --> 00:38:04,570
energy being what's the number one being

843
00:38:12,060 --> 00:38:09,160
in an NDE an energy being okay also

844
00:38:15,150 --> 00:38:12,070
people are seeing spirit forms that's

845
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:15,160
the number four form in the UFO contact

846
00:38:20,580 --> 00:38:17,890
experience that's also one of the major

847
00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:20,590
type of entities that individuals are

848
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:23,310
seeing in an NDEs also human looking

849
00:38:28,740 --> 00:38:26,170
non-human intelligence same thing that

850
00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:28,750
was number two in our research study the

851
00:38:33,210 --> 00:38:31,180
grace roli number three so here we've

852
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:33,220
got number one number two and number

853
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,310
four the energy being this the the

854
00:38:39,390 --> 00:38:38,560
spirit ghost type of beings and the

855
00:38:42,839 --> 00:38:39,400
human looking be

856
00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:42,849
things are in both NDEs and UFO contact

857
00:38:47,370 --> 00:38:45,910
also both phenomenon involve medical

858
00:38:50,190 --> 00:38:47,380
healings okay

859
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:50,200
in our survey 50% of the people that

860
00:38:55,230 --> 00:38:52,240
answered our survey have had a medical

861
00:38:58,260 --> 00:38:55,240
healing by non-human intelligence in the

862
00:39:00,329 --> 00:38:58,270
NDE phenomenon the literature is

863
00:39:02,339 --> 00:39:00,339
literally spread throughout with

864
00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:02,349
individuals that had an NDE and were

865
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:03,849
medically healed

866
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:08,250
damon brinkley is very very famous case

867
00:39:15,210 --> 00:39:11,890
azusa marginese her last name i forgot

868
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:15,220
her love she the most feminine famous

869
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:17,440
case she had total cancer all over her

870
00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:20,079
body all of a sudden she had an NDE the

871
00:39:22,650 --> 00:39:21,670
god being that she identified his God

872
00:39:24,660 --> 00:39:22,660
told her look you know I've already

873
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:24,670
healed you tell the doctors and you go

874
00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:26,529
back don't do all this chemotherapy and

875
00:39:30,359 --> 00:39:28,150
all this other junk you're healed

876
00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:30,369
okay so when she got back to her body

877
00:39:33,779 --> 00:39:32,380
she told the doctors doctor said we're

878
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:33,789
not gonna do it anyway cuz you've only

879
00:39:37,260 --> 00:39:35,650
got a few hours to live you know you

880
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:37,270
just came you only just came out of your

881
00:39:40,319 --> 00:39:39,130
coma well guess what in two weeks he was

882
00:39:41,609 --> 00:39:40,329
walking out of the hospital totally

883
00:39:45,809 --> 00:39:41,619
healed okay

884
00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:45,819
dr. eben Alexander okay a medical doctor

885
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:48,510
at the Harvard Medical School he was a

886
00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:51,760
neurosurgeon was medically healed

887
00:39:57,150 --> 00:39:53,710
because his brain was mush

888
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:57,160
okay his brain was much and all of a

889
00:40:02,130 --> 00:39:58,720
sudden two weeks later he's walking home

890
00:40:04,769 --> 00:40:02,140
okay also both experiences involved

891
00:40:10,260 --> 00:40:04,779
reincarnation with the UFO contact

892
00:40:11,849 --> 00:40:10,270
experiences and the NDE phenomenon their

893
00:40:14,010 --> 00:40:11,859
visions of the future both of them

894
00:40:15,930 --> 00:40:14,020
involved visions of the future and both

895
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:15,940
of them involve visions of the past and

896
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:19,119
I think Hannah you John Hannah you

897
00:40:23,849 --> 00:40:21,010
wanted to talk about that as well okay

898
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:23,859
for example for the UFO contact

899
00:40:29,130 --> 00:40:27,250
experiences but the in terms of these

900
00:40:31,859 --> 00:40:29,140
visions the vast majority of the future

901
00:40:33,569 --> 00:40:31,869
people are being shown the ecological

902
00:40:34,380 --> 00:40:33,579
destruction of our planet if we don't

903
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:34,390
take care of it

904
00:40:39,210 --> 00:40:36,730
also people are having very specific

905
00:40:42,510 --> 00:40:39,220
visions of themselves in the future if

906
00:40:44,579 --> 00:40:42,520
you don't change okay now for the NDE

907
00:40:45,950 --> 00:40:44,589
people are having a life review they're

908
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:45,960
being shown their whole life

909
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:48,880
instantaneously okay and for many people

910
00:40:52,770 --> 00:40:51,520
it seems like it lasts you know many

911
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:52,780
many many years

912
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:54,850
my own father's life reviews he told me

913
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:57,490
lasted 20 of the 30 years same thing

914
00:41:02,040 --> 00:40:59,440
with the UFO contactee spheres as people

915
00:41:03,930 --> 00:41:02,050
are being shown visions of their past of

916
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:03,940
their childhood okay and they're seeing

917
00:41:08,130 --> 00:41:06,910
it all right now also both of these

918
00:41:11,370 --> 00:41:08,140
experiences involve

919
00:41:13,620 --> 00:41:11,380
a total personality transformation

920
00:41:16,530 --> 00:41:13,630
psychological personality transformation

921
00:41:18,510 --> 00:41:16,540
for the positive okay that was

922
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:18,520
demonstrated in dr. Kenneth rings book

923
00:41:24,810 --> 00:41:22,000
the Omega project in 1986 which is a

924
00:41:28,890 --> 00:41:24,820
statistical study where he compared 85

925
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:28,900
abductees with 85 NDE experiences what

926
00:41:34,050 --> 00:41:31,200
he found out was that 85% of both groups

927
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:34,060
underwent a complete psychological

928
00:41:40,350 --> 00:41:36,850
transformation for the positive we

929
00:41:43,050 --> 00:41:40,360
duplicated 60 of those questions and now

930
00:41:46,580 --> 00:41:43,060
it's not 85 people now we had thousands

931
00:41:49,770 --> 00:41:46,590
of people that said the same thing okay

932
00:41:52,020 --> 00:41:49,780
taken to a matrix reality and then deu

933
00:41:53,730 --> 00:41:52,030
are being taken to a matrix reality we

934
00:41:56,430 --> 00:41:53,740
had almost double the number of people

935
00:41:58,260 --> 00:41:56,440
in our free ufology survey that were

936
00:42:00,030 --> 00:41:58,270
taken to a matrix reality than people

937
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:00,040
that have had an abduction okay

938
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:03,250
precognition both people return from

939
00:42:08,970 --> 00:42:05,650
contact with heighten precognition

940
00:42:10,530 --> 00:42:08,980
skills heightened paranormal experiences

941
00:42:12,450 --> 00:42:10,540
both group all of a sudden we talked

942
00:42:14,220 --> 00:42:12,460
about a little bit off the air have this

943
00:42:17,010 --> 00:42:14,230
heightened paranormal experiences after

944
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:17,020
their contact experiences for both

945
00:42:19,710 --> 00:42:17,530
groups

946
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:19,720
after the Contra experiences they then

947
00:42:25,260 --> 00:42:22,690
began to see ghosts and spirits okay

948
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:25,270
both groups involving manipulation of

949
00:42:32,610 --> 00:42:29,010
electronic devices okay wearing watches

950
00:42:33,900 --> 00:42:32,620
going on the streetlamps computers you

951
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:33,910
know constantly but you know

952
00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:35,890
malfunctioning on people but especially

953
00:42:40,650 --> 00:42:38,230
the watches the electronic watches for

954
00:42:43,470 --> 00:42:40,660
both the NDE experiences and the UFO

955
00:42:46,830 --> 00:42:43,480
contact expresses spiritual messages

956
00:42:48,330 --> 00:42:46,840
what we discovered was that 85% of these

957
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:48,340
individuals underwent a complete

958
00:42:53,250 --> 00:42:51,730
spiritual transformation more than 50%

959
00:42:56,370 --> 00:42:53,260
of these people were given spiritual

960
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:56,380
messages by non-human intelligence well

961
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:57,610
guess what happens in a near-death

962
00:43:02,490 --> 00:42:58,210
experience

963
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:02,500
the same thing okay also for a bolt up

964
00:43:05,540 --> 00:43:04,450
of experiences demonstrate that

965
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:05,550
consciousness is

966
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:08,130
local consciousness not does not begin

967
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:10,410
and start with our brain for both of

968
00:43:14,510 --> 00:43:11,850
these experiences it shows that we are

969
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:14,520
much more than just our brain ok if

970
00:43:19,610 --> 00:43:16,290
you've had an out-of-body experience

971
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:19,620
that's 100% certified okay you're out of

972
00:43:25,130 --> 00:43:23,040
your body you know hey you know my mind

973
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:25,140
my consciousness is not my body because

974
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:27,090
my body's down there and what the hell

975
00:43:32,420 --> 00:43:30,930
is it up here okay it's it's a much more

976
00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:32,430
complicated so consciousness is

977
00:43:36,620 --> 00:43:34,440
non-local as demonstrated by both

978
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:36,630
experience also both experiences involve

979
00:43:42,730 --> 00:43:40,920
a manipulation of space-time okay also

980
00:43:44,860 --> 00:43:42,740
both experiences involve

981
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,870
multi-dimensional reality

982
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:47,040
multi-dimensional experiences by

983
00:43:51,650 --> 00:43:49,170
definition if there's an amenable ation

984
00:43:53,690 --> 00:43:51,660
of space-time you're taken out of your

985
00:43:56,090 --> 00:43:53,700
body you're being brought to a matrix

986
00:44:00,190 --> 00:43:56,100
reality to a spirit world by definition

987
00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:00,200
so this is just a very quick run-through

988
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:03,420
okay of the similarities but yet these

989
00:44:09,970 --> 00:44:06,890
topics are not discussed in ufology

990
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:09,980
because ufology is not sand bolts

991
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:12,450
ufology the field of ufology has

992
00:44:17,780 --> 00:44:14,970
actually contributed very little over

993
00:44:19,940 --> 00:44:17,790
the last 75 years to understand this

994
00:44:21,530 --> 00:44:19,950
phenomenon and look at in our five-year

995
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:21,540
academic research study what have we

996
00:44:27,140 --> 00:44:25,530
discovered we have discovered so many of

997
00:44:31,790 --> 00:44:27,150
our research findings that totally

998
00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:31,800
contradict what ufology thinks the

999
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,900
phenomenon is and I haven't discussed

1000
00:44:40,340 --> 00:44:35,760
that yet because we haven't had that

1001
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:40,350
opportunity but so our reality is much

1002
00:44:45,860 --> 00:44:42,240
more complicated than just a nuts and

1003
00:44:48,590 --> 00:44:45,870
bolts you Falah djegal approach why

1004
00:44:51,350 --> 00:44:48,600
don't you ask you how do you feel array

1005
00:44:54,050 --> 00:44:51,360
about the work of Rupert Sheldrake I

1006
00:44:58,190 --> 00:44:54,060
know you are familiar with him regarding

1007
00:45:00,290 --> 00:44:58,200
his morphic resonance theory and how a

1008
00:45:02,750 --> 00:45:00,300
posits that memory is inherent in nature

1009
00:45:04,130 --> 00:45:02,760
and natural systems in here in a

1010
00:45:06,620 --> 00:45:04,140
collective memory from all previous

1011
00:45:08,290 --> 00:45:06,630
things of their kind and Sheldrake

1012
00:45:10,610 --> 00:45:08,300
proposes that it's also responsible

1013
00:45:12,530 --> 00:45:10,620
responsible for telepathy type

1014
00:45:14,730 --> 00:45:12,540
interconnections between organism

1015
00:45:17,490 --> 00:45:14,740
organisms

1016
00:45:23,460 --> 00:45:17,500
in our second book which is going to be

1017
00:45:26,370 --> 00:45:23,470
a theoretical book on and this is sort

1018
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:26,380
of the the the scientific lingo

1019
00:45:33,390 --> 00:45:29,650
associated with the second book oh it's

1020
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:33,400
gonna be titled beyond materialism okay

1021
00:45:39,839 --> 00:45:37,599
beyond materialism let me give you the

1022
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:39,849
formal name of it okay

1023
00:45:46,310 --> 00:45:43,210
beyond materialism the new paradigm of

1024
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:46,320
consciousness and contact with non-human

1025
00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:49,930
intelligence via the unified contact

1026
00:45:54,930 --> 00:45:51,910
mode Ollie's what it is is you're going

1027
00:45:59,790 --> 00:45:54,940
to be having over 45 individuals roughly

1028
00:46:01,500 --> 00:45:59,800
PhD 15 PhD academics researchers about

1029
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:01,510
10 of them and the rest will be

1030
00:46:10,530 --> 00:46:06,720
experiencers telling humanity about

1031
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:10,540
their reality is not a material reality

1032
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:12,970
it's a consciousness based reality and

1033
00:46:18,540 --> 00:46:15,520
that they indeed are having all of these

1034
00:46:20,730 --> 00:46:18,550
contact modalities okay and that they're

1035
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:20,740
all interrelated so it's a theoretical

1036
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:26,650
book now Rupert Sheldrake is wrote a

1037
00:46:31,230 --> 00:46:29,440
theory which is parallel to Edgar

1038
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:31,240
Mitchell's quantum hologram theory of

1039
00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:34,240
consciousness that article which is

1040
00:46:40,349 --> 00:46:37,510
going to be roughly 60 pages is going to

1041
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:40,359
be in our new book and it's it's pretty

1042
00:46:48,210 --> 00:46:43,530
much very similar to Rupert Sheldrake's

1043
00:46:50,849 --> 00:46:48,220
except both of them wrote it pretty much

1044
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:50,859
at the same time starting in in the late

1045
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:53,440
80s and they were publicly publicizing a

1046
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:55,210
series of articles as time went on and

1047
00:47:01,470 --> 00:46:58,480
so what it is it's about information

1048
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:01,480
fields information fields that our

1049
00:47:06,380 --> 00:47:04,210
reality is based upon information fields

1050
00:47:08,970 --> 00:47:06,390
that these information fields our

1051
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:08,980
consciousness is able to retrieve them

1052
00:47:15,630 --> 00:47:13,210
okay and and these information fields

1053
00:47:17,579 --> 00:47:15,640
store information now where Rudi shields

1054
00:47:20,099 --> 00:47:17,589
comes in is he's an expert in black

1055
00:47:23,339 --> 00:47:20,109
holes and what he discovered 30 years

1056
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:23,349
ago was that black holes are information

1057
00:47:28,930 --> 00:47:26,530
repositories they store information just

1058
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:28,940
like a hard drive okay

1059
00:47:34,030 --> 00:47:31,010
so then the theory that Edgar and Rudy

1060
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:34,040
were working on is how our consciousness

1061
00:47:40,089 --> 00:47:37,599
is able to use the information fields

1062
00:47:43,420 --> 00:47:40,099
embedded in the very fabric of our

1063
00:47:46,660 --> 00:47:43,430
cosmology and take information which is

1064
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:46,670
stored in these black holes okay and and

1065
00:47:52,180 --> 00:47:49,130
so what what Rupert Sheldrake did is

1066
00:47:54,550 --> 00:47:52,190
basically took that that generalist

1067
00:47:57,010 --> 00:47:54,560
theory and began to apply to a lot of

1068
00:47:59,230 --> 00:47:57,020
different aspects of our reality and

1069
00:48:02,349 --> 00:47:59,240
that's where ever was going and he did

1070
00:48:05,950 --> 00:48:02,359
talk a lot about that but Edgar was not

1071
00:48:09,309 --> 00:48:05,960
a very speculative person okay but but

1072
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:09,319
he did direction he was going was that

1073
00:48:15,250 --> 00:48:12,319
our experiences that we're having were

1074
00:48:16,569 --> 00:48:15,260
consciousness based experiences and that

1075
00:48:20,140 --> 00:48:16,579
we need to be able to understand that

1076
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:20,150
phenomenon because um it begins to

1077
00:48:25,059 --> 00:48:22,160
highlight how all of the contact

1078
00:48:26,770 --> 00:48:25,069
modalities NDEs Obie's ghosts and

1079
00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:26,780
spirits how they're able to interact

1080
00:48:31,569 --> 00:48:28,609
with the information fields in our

1081
00:48:34,930 --> 00:48:31,579
reality to interact with us so yes

1082
00:48:38,980 --> 00:48:34,940
Rupert Sheldrake and also his article is

1083
00:48:41,500 --> 00:48:38,990
on our free website as well yes I'm say

1084
00:48:43,359 --> 00:48:41,510
you'd brought up Sheldrake another guy I

1085
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:43,369
find kind of interesting is somebody

1086
00:48:49,540 --> 00:48:45,410
named Tom Campbell I don't know how

1087
00:48:52,589 --> 00:48:49,550
familiar you are with his work yes my

1088
00:48:57,460 --> 00:48:52,599
big toe yes exactly theory of everything

1089
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:57,470
and his his position is more like

1090
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:00,400
literally we're all information as well

1091
00:49:05,410 --> 00:49:03,440
that we're essentially a repositories of

1092
00:49:08,349 --> 00:49:05,420
information that said I hope I'm not

1093
00:49:10,359 --> 00:49:08,359
mistaking that but I my understanding of

1094
00:49:12,730 --> 00:49:10,369
his material is that's what he's saying

1095
00:49:15,010 --> 00:49:12,740
that well your information is well what

1096
00:49:18,490 --> 00:49:15,020
it is is that all of these radical

1097
00:49:21,010 --> 00:49:18,500
thinkers think exactly the same way okay

1098
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:21,020
that that there is no separation between

1099
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:25,010
us and source god whatever you might

1100
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:26,450
want to call it that we're actually part

1101
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:29,810
of God and that what Edgar was talking

1102
00:49:35,980 --> 00:49:32,089
about is how did that mechanism work you

1103
00:49:39,299 --> 00:49:35,990
know of retrieving information to our

1104
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:39,309
consciousness through our consciousness

1105
00:49:44,459 --> 00:49:41,890
but but Campbell basically does not talk

1106
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:44,469
about non-human intelligence and and

1107
00:49:48,899 --> 00:49:46,569
really he talks about the contact

1108
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:48,909
modalities what we're doing is we're

1109
00:49:52,829 --> 00:49:50,890
putting all the picture together we're

1110
00:49:55,199 --> 00:49:52,839
throwing in consciousness we're talking

1111
00:49:57,269 --> 00:49:55,209
about our cosmology we're talking about

1112
00:50:00,029 --> 00:49:57,279
information fields we're talking about

1113
00:50:01,979 --> 00:50:00,039
non-human intelligence and we're talking

1114
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:01,989
about the contact modalities and no one

1115
00:50:05,789 --> 00:50:04,089
has ever done that before this book is

1116
00:50:09,089 --> 00:50:05,799
gonna be the first attempt to present

1117
00:50:11,399 --> 00:50:09,099
this now what this is that many of these

1118
00:50:12,689 --> 00:50:11,409
advanced thinkers people like even

1119
00:50:15,899 --> 00:50:12,699
Raymond Moody

1120
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:15,909
Geoffrey long Kenneth ring a very very

1121
00:50:19,559 --> 00:50:18,130
famous near-death experiencers they've

1122
00:50:20,249 --> 00:50:19,569
all talked about these things among

1123
00:50:24,269 --> 00:50:20,259
themselves

1124
00:50:25,380 --> 00:50:24,279
Geoffrey michl off we have a Dean Radin

1125
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:25,390
Edgar Mitchell

1126
00:50:32,370 --> 00:50:28,569
Rudy shields Gary Schwartz all these

1127
00:50:34,709 --> 00:50:32,380
vigils are advisers to free dr. Claude

1128
00:50:37,169 --> 00:50:34,719
Swanson PhD physicist from Princeton

1129
00:50:40,289 --> 00:50:37,179
University's a member of our advisory

1130
00:50:42,529 --> 00:50:40,299
board they all think the same way but

1131
00:50:46,229 --> 00:50:42,539
what it is that no one has really put

1132
00:50:47,819 --> 00:50:46,239
academic articles together before it was

1133
00:50:49,890 --> 00:50:47,829
just things that they speculated and

1134
00:50:51,509 --> 00:50:49,900
they talked among themselves and they

1135
00:50:53,069 --> 00:50:51,519
might have had an article here and there

1136
00:50:55,979 --> 00:50:53,079
that talked about a separate component

1137
00:50:58,199 --> 00:50:55,989
of it but what we're having those 45

1138
00:51:02,519 --> 00:50:58,209
chapters that talks about the whole

1139
00:51:04,620 --> 00:51:02,529
integration of all these things I wanted

1140
00:51:07,229 --> 00:51:04,630
to ask you a little bit about Robert

1141
00:51:09,419 --> 00:51:07,239
Monroe who created the Monroe Institute

1142
00:51:13,399 --> 00:51:09,429
my understanding is he created that

1143
00:51:17,729 --> 00:51:13,409
Institute out of have having had a

1144
00:51:20,219 --> 00:51:17,739
out-of-body experiences and I understand

1145
00:51:23,849 --> 00:51:20,229
that his Institute is organization was

1146
00:51:26,370 --> 00:51:23,859
created to explore and understand better

1147
00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:26,380
consciousness how do you feel about that

1148
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:28,209
organization do you feel that they were

1149
00:51:34,499 --> 00:51:30,640
able to get very far regarding their

1150
00:51:37,380 --> 00:51:34,509
research on that topic well I don't know

1151
00:51:39,899 --> 00:51:37,390
a lot about that the research studies

1152
00:51:41,279 --> 00:51:39,909
there what I do know is that there are

1153
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:41,289
various organizations that have

1154
00:51:48,059 --> 00:51:44,640
continued to do academic research on

1155
00:51:50,130 --> 00:51:48,069
OBEs and consciousness we gave up

1156
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:50,140
without dr. Bob Davis who was a retired

1157
00:51:54,910 --> 00:51:51,890
professor of neuroscience

1158
00:51:57,460 --> 00:51:54,920
also a member of our board and co-author

1159
00:52:01,200 --> 00:51:57,470
of a paper that we published at the

1160
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:01,210
journal for the Society for scientific

1161
00:52:07,300 --> 00:52:04,250
exploration which is a peer-reviewed

1162
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:07,310
academic research article we gave a

1163
00:52:13,060 --> 00:52:09,890
presentation of a paper that we did

1164
00:52:17,050 --> 00:52:13,070
about two and a half years ago to this

1165
00:52:18,580 --> 00:52:17,060
Institute called Society for

1166
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:18,590
consciousness studies I believe it's

1167
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:20,450
cold but they have a journal called the

1168
00:52:25,330 --> 00:52:23,210
Journal of consciousness and that our

1169
00:52:27,850 --> 00:52:25,340
paper was also a different version of

1170
00:52:30,610 --> 00:52:27,860
the paper was also published there and

1171
00:52:33,220 --> 00:52:30,620
so they've been doing for the last 20

1172
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:33,230
years continuation the work of Robert

1173
00:52:39,660 --> 00:52:37,610
Monroe and and they have managed to be

1174
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:39,670
able to like Robert Monroe stimulate

1175
00:52:44,410 --> 00:52:41,810
out-of-body experiences they're able to

1176
00:52:46,930 --> 00:52:44,420
teach out-of-body experiences but what

1177
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:46,940
it is is that we just don't understand

1178
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:49,370
it what we know is that it involves

1179
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:52,370
non-local consciousness it involves that

1180
00:52:56,740 --> 00:52:54,410
your spirit your consciousness whatever

1181
00:52:59,230 --> 00:52:56,750
you might want to call it is outside of

1182
00:53:02,020 --> 00:52:59,240
the body it can travel now the most

1183
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:02,030
we're gonna be having two articles in

1184
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:04,720
our book by highly advanced OBE

1185
00:53:09,310 --> 00:53:07,130
experiences now both of these

1186
00:53:11,980 --> 00:53:09,320
individuals over the many many many

1187
00:53:14,110 --> 00:53:11,990
years have learned to control their OBEs

1188
00:53:16,450 --> 00:53:14,120
they first started hovering above their

1189
00:53:19,060 --> 00:53:16,460
bed then in their house then in their

1190
00:53:23,740 --> 00:53:19,070
neighborhood okay and then they went off

1191
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:23,750
to you know outer regions they even gone

1192
00:53:29,470 --> 00:53:26,570
outer space and and these people now are

1193
00:53:34,900 --> 00:53:29,480
doing interdimensional travels they go

1194
00:53:38,110 --> 00:53:34,910
to other realities I know of five major

1195
00:53:41,170 --> 00:53:38,120
individuals that are doing this okay one

1196
00:53:44,170 --> 00:53:41,180
is a medical doctor the smartest person

1197
00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:44,180
I've ever met my life okay we're talking

1198
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:46,910
number one his class at you know college

1199
00:53:53,860 --> 00:53:51,530
medical schools I mean a genius okay has

1200
00:53:57,070 --> 00:53:53,870
been doing this since since this person

1201
00:54:01,140 --> 00:53:57,080
was 18 years old and and what he does is

1202
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:01,150
he he lives in that that other reality

1203
00:54:05,410 --> 00:54:03,770
that other dimension so

1204
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:05,420
just don't we know very little about it

1205
00:54:12,220 --> 00:54:10,610
and and but in our paper that we're

1206
00:54:14,109 --> 00:54:12,230
going to be having we'll be presenting

1207
00:54:17,290 --> 00:54:14,119
some of these journeys and some of these

1208
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:17,300
discussions for the first time so at

1209
00:54:21,550 --> 00:54:19,280
least people can begin to understand

1210
00:54:23,710 --> 00:54:21,560
that as part of the contact modalities

1211
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:23,720
that involves consciousness involves the

1212
00:54:27,700 --> 00:54:25,850
manipulation of space-time and it deals

1213
00:54:29,830 --> 00:54:27,710
with our relationship between

1214
00:54:34,359 --> 00:54:29,840
consciousness and our multi-dimensional

1215
00:54:37,930 --> 00:54:34,369
reality psychoanalysts dr. Sigmund Freud

1216
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:37,940
and Carl Jung both had interesting

1217
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:40,730
things to say about the subconscious do

1218
00:54:45,250 --> 00:54:43,130
you feel like the subconscious mind has

1219
00:54:47,050 --> 00:54:45,260
anything to do with anything we've been

1220
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:47,060
talking about one thing I wanted to

1221
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:48,290
mention to you is it's my understanding

1222
00:54:54,250 --> 00:54:51,680
that it's possible that we use 5% of our

1223
00:54:57,100 --> 00:54:54,260
conscious brain and then we use of our

1224
00:54:59,290 --> 00:54:57,110
mind and then 95% the rest of that is

1225
00:55:01,240 --> 00:54:59,300
subconscious related how do you feel

1226
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:01,250
about the possibility of subconscious

1227
00:55:05,380 --> 00:55:03,770
mind playing into whatever it is we're

1228
00:55:08,349 --> 00:55:05,390
talking about all the topics we've

1229
00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:08,359
covered yeah again I'm not an expert in

1230
00:55:13,660 --> 00:55:11,510
that field dr. Jeffrey Mishler would

1231
00:55:17,740 --> 00:55:13,670
probably be a better person to discuss

1232
00:55:20,830 --> 00:55:17,750
these things but but let's touch upon a

1233
00:55:24,750 --> 00:55:20,840
couple of things one is called Jones the

1234
00:55:27,970 --> 00:55:24,760
collective unconsciousness okay which is

1235
00:55:31,210 --> 00:55:27,980
again a highly abstract theory of how

1236
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:31,220
our consciousness interrelates with our

1237
00:55:36,910 --> 00:55:34,130
multi-dimensional reality how things are

1238
00:55:40,030 --> 00:55:36,920
possibly recreated and again he didn't

1239
00:55:42,490 --> 00:55:40,040
fully on the understand how our reality

1240
00:55:43,930 --> 00:55:42,500
works you know no one does okay but he

1241
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:43,940
was just trying to come up with theories

1242
00:55:49,450 --> 00:55:47,930
of of trying to explain things some of

1243
00:55:51,580 --> 00:55:49,460
the paranormal things that he had heard

1244
00:55:55,180 --> 00:55:51,590
of and even wrote a book are called

1245
00:55:57,010 --> 00:55:55,190
young on UFOs oh yeah alluding to that

1246
00:55:59,980 --> 00:55:57,020
as again part of the collective

1247
00:56:03,730 --> 00:55:59,990
unconsciousness now the other thing in

1248
00:56:05,620 --> 00:56:03,740
terms of dreams okay Stanley Crippler

1249
00:56:07,930 --> 00:56:05,630
again would let's mention him he first

1250
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:07,940
became well known by doing these

1251
00:56:12,580 --> 00:56:10,640
academic studies on dreams and the

1252
00:56:15,860 --> 00:56:12,590
relationship to dreams and our reality

1253
00:56:21,740 --> 00:56:18,440
I'm not a psychologist my daughter loves

1254
00:56:23,330 --> 00:56:21,750
psychology she wants to study that when

1255
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:23,340
she eventually graduated from college

1256
00:56:28,340 --> 00:56:26,400
but but but again all of these topics

1257
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:28,350
that we're talking about but we could

1258
00:56:34,060 --> 00:56:31,490
only speculate about them you know I

1259
00:56:36,530 --> 00:56:34,070
imagine that there's kernels of truth

1260
00:56:39,470 --> 00:56:36,540
between a lot of these concepts that

1261
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:39,480
we've been discussing but I'm not a

1262
00:56:52,550 --> 00:56:51,140
hasn't it to to accepting a lot of

1263
00:56:55,850 --> 00:56:52,560
theories out there unless I have

1264
00:56:57,950 --> 00:56:55,860
something to back it up and you know

1265
00:57:00,110 --> 00:56:57,960
from our research study now we've got

1266
00:57:01,580 --> 00:57:00,120
data it's not just one person we've got

1267
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:01,590
thousands of people that are saying the

1268
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:03,930
same thing so at least we can say that

1269
00:57:08,690 --> 00:57:06,000
look you know thousands of people this

1270
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:08,700
percent have told us this information so

1271
00:57:14,420 --> 00:57:12,240
we can then hypothesize that and also we

1272
00:57:16,370 --> 00:57:14,430
did studies in our research study where

1273
00:57:18,970 --> 00:57:16,380
we looked upon different geographic

1274
00:57:21,770 --> 00:57:18,980
areas we we had a peach these

1275
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:21,780
psychologists who's a statistician PC

1276
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:23,610
statistician that looked at the

1277
00:57:26,420 --> 00:57:25,170
different country groupings he put all

1278
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:26,430
people in the u.s. together

1279
00:57:31,090 --> 00:57:29,850
Great Britain simi the United Kingdom

1280
00:57:33,860 --> 00:57:31,100
not Great Britain the United Kingdom

1281
00:57:37,010 --> 00:57:33,870
continental Europe Canada as a separate

1282
00:57:39,950 --> 00:57:37,020
group and then Australia and New Zealand

1283
00:57:42,290 --> 00:57:39,960
and he looked at how people answered all

1284
00:57:44,890 --> 00:57:42,300
of the questions and what he found out

1285
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:44,900
was that there was very little

1286
00:57:49,460 --> 00:57:47,970
percentage difference no matter what

1287
00:57:51,230 --> 00:57:49,470
country you were for each of the

1288
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:51,240
questions it was less than ten percent

1289
00:57:56,930 --> 00:57:54,570
so if in the US they answered whatever

1290
00:58:00,980 --> 00:57:56,940
55 percent in Great Britain they might

1291
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:00,990
have answered at 65 percent okay at in

1292
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:02,610
Canada might have been you know

1293
00:58:08,270 --> 00:58:05,850
fifty-seven percent so then we could you

1294
00:58:10,130 --> 00:58:08,280
know make a hypotheses that look these

1295
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:10,140
people are having the same type of

1296
00:58:16,190 --> 00:58:12,720
experiences all over the world for each

1297
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:16,200
of these questions so and then what

1298
00:58:19,700 --> 00:58:17,850
we've just been talking about is a lot

1299
00:58:22,490 --> 00:58:19,710
of theory a lot of speculation the

1300
00:58:25,580 --> 00:58:22,500
reason why is because all of the members

1301
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:25,590
of our organization all of us have the

1302
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:29,520
position that we have no idea what the

1303
00:58:33,140 --> 00:58:30,240
hell

1304
00:58:35,260 --> 00:58:33,150
we're totally clueless yeah and that if

1305
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:35,270
anyone comes out like they know it all

1306
00:58:39,050 --> 00:58:36,480
okay

1307
00:58:40,970 --> 00:58:39,060
run away from that person right because

1308
00:58:43,130 --> 00:58:40,980
their total the total fraud

1309
00:58:46,130 --> 00:58:43,140
you know total fraud they try to push on

1310
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:46,140
you we're just beginning to understand

1311
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:49,710
what questions to ask okay let alone

1312
00:58:52,820 --> 00:58:51,930
what answers so all these questions that

1313
00:58:55,790 --> 00:58:52,830
you're talking about we can only

1314
00:58:56,900 --> 00:58:55,800
speculate about but that's all those

1315
00:58:58,610 --> 00:58:56,910
questions that you're asking other

1316
00:59:01,640 --> 00:58:58,620
questions that we need to move forward

1317
00:59:04,130 --> 00:59:01,650
about not how big was the UFO how fast

1318
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:04,140
was it flying was its cylindrical shape

1319
00:59:10,070 --> 00:59:06,450
you know please what has that given us

1320
00:59:12,110 --> 00:59:10,080
in 75 years very good point wanted to

1321
00:59:14,450 --> 00:59:12,120
ask well yeah let me jump in here and

1322
00:59:15,950 --> 00:59:14,460
ask you a real quick question you had

1323
00:59:18,260 --> 00:59:15,960
mentioned that people have had these

1324
00:59:21,740 --> 00:59:18,270
types of experiences seeing an

1325
00:59:24,050 --> 00:59:21,750
improvement in precognition that type of

1326
00:59:26,090 --> 00:59:24,060
thing have you been able to put them to

1327
00:59:28,310 --> 00:59:26,100
any kind of test like a Zener card test

1328
00:59:30,290 --> 00:59:28,320
or anything along those lines to see

1329
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:30,300
about what that improvement might be or

1330
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:32,010
if they they score better than random

1331
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:35,040
chance I know that Dean has tried to do

1332
00:59:41,660 --> 00:59:37,730
that but the difficulty is getting

1333
00:59:43,450 --> 00:59:41,670
someone that just had a UFO contact

1334
00:59:46,540 --> 00:59:43,460
experience through his laboratory or

1335
00:59:49,550 --> 00:59:46,550
having someone that's having a

1336
00:59:51,290 --> 00:59:49,560
near-death experience you know to his

1337
00:59:55,850 --> 00:59:51,300
laboratory or to the laboratory of Gary

1338
00:59:58,910 --> 00:59:55,860
Schwartz that's you know if P if they

1339
01:00:00,260 --> 00:59:58,920
had money big megabucks money you'd be

1340
01:00:02,660 --> 01:00:00,270
able to fly these people and do these

1341
01:00:04,820 --> 01:00:02,670
types of studies but just for our free

1342
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:04,830
research study which took five years to

1343
01:00:11,180 --> 01:00:08,010
do we had no funding whatsoever it was

1344
01:00:13,370 --> 01:00:11,190
all self funding the the actual members

1345
01:00:16,220 --> 01:00:13,380
of our risk research committee were

1346
01:00:19,310 --> 01:00:16,230
funding these initiatives so it's uh

1347
01:00:21,590 --> 01:00:19,320
indeed rate and he works with uh with a

1348
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:21,600
shoestring budget as well so the answer

1349
01:00:27,350 --> 01:00:24,450
to you question is no and also in terms

1350
01:00:29,410 --> 01:00:27,360
of the changes of improve improvements

1351
01:00:33,020 --> 01:00:29,420
what-what I mentioned were the

1352
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:33,030
psychological profile changes of these

1353
01:00:37,070 --> 01:00:35,850
individuals and maybe if you don't mind

1354
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:37,080
if I could go a little bit into that

1355
01:00:42,859 --> 01:00:40,650
yeah because that these are very very

1356
01:00:46,249 --> 01:00:42,869
important findings uh

1357
01:00:47,660 --> 01:00:46,259
what has happened is that contact you

1358
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:47,670
have all related contact with non-human

1359
01:00:53,329 --> 01:00:50,490
intelligence resulted in a positive

1360
01:00:55,579 --> 01:00:53,339
transformation of the experiencer and I

1361
01:00:58,009 --> 01:00:55,589
stated before we asked close to 80

1362
01:01:00,559 --> 01:00:58,019
questions in our research study which we

1363
01:01:04,039 --> 01:01:00,569
borrowed from the Omega project it's a

1364
01:01:06,019 --> 01:01:04,049
book published in 1988 by dr. Kenneth

1365
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:06,029
ring who was a tenured professor at the

1366
01:01:09,739 --> 01:01:07,920
University of Connecticut one of the

1367
01:01:11,900 --> 01:01:09,749
world's leading experts on near-death

1368
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:11,910
experiences and the name of the book is

1369
01:01:18,739 --> 01:01:14,960
the Omega project near-death experiences

1370
01:01:20,539 --> 01:01:18,749
UFO encounters and the mind at large

1371
01:01:22,999 --> 01:01:20,549
okay remember we were talking about

1372
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:23,009
about the mind at large topic well he

1373
01:01:28,759 --> 01:01:25,410
speculates about and again he compared

1374
01:01:32,359 --> 01:01:28,769
85 people had NDEs with 85 people that

1375
01:01:36,319 --> 01:01:32,369
had an abduction experience and what

1376
01:01:38,599 --> 01:01:36,329
both he found out and we found out in a

1377
01:01:41,239 --> 01:01:38,609
research study 73 percent of the

1378
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:41,249
individuals had a positive we asked the

1379
01:01:47,299 --> 01:01:44,160
question how did ET contact change your

1380
01:01:50,049 --> 01:01:47,309
life okay 73 percent said it had a

1381
01:01:53,690 --> 01:01:50,059
positive effect in change in their life

1382
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:53,700
these are all the questions 70 percents

1383
01:02:00,380 --> 01:01:57,599
I had a neutral effect okay slightly

1384
01:02:01,819 --> 01:02:00,390
negative fact was six percent and highly

1385
01:02:05,749 --> 01:02:01,829
negative effect in changing their life

1386
01:02:09,799 --> 01:02:05,759
was four percent now let me go into some

1387
01:02:12,410 --> 01:02:09,809
of the specifics okay depending on the

1388
01:02:15,259 --> 01:02:12,420
question it was between 73 to 85 percent

1389
01:02:17,239 --> 01:02:15,269
individuals underwent a profound

1390
01:02:19,339 --> 01:02:17,249
psychological profile change for the

1391
01:02:22,729 --> 01:02:19,349
positive now let me give you an example

1392
01:02:25,220 --> 01:02:22,739
these are the people that the question

1393
01:02:31,329 --> 01:02:25,230
is since I first became interested in my

1394
01:02:36,890 --> 01:02:34,670
phenomenon increased okay either

1395
01:02:43,069 --> 01:02:36,900
strongly increased or increased somewhat

1396
01:02:47,359 --> 01:02:43,079
so my desire to help others 75 percent

1397
01:02:49,700 --> 01:02:47,369
my compassion for others 80 percent my

1398
01:02:50,180 --> 01:02:49,710
appreciation of the ordinary things of

1399
01:02:53,420 --> 01:02:50,190
life

1400
01:02:56,300 --> 01:02:53,430
74 percent my sensitivity to the

1401
01:02:58,790 --> 01:02:56,310
suffering of others 78 percent

1402
01:03:02,900 --> 01:02:58,800
Mikan sperm my concern with spiritual

1403
01:03:07,790 --> 01:03:02,910
matters 83% my desire to achieve a

1404
01:03:12,380 --> 01:03:07,800
higher consciousness we're talking 90 89

1405
01:03:15,860 --> 01:03:12,390
% okay my appreciation of nature 84

1406
01:03:18,380 --> 01:03:15,870
percent my spiritual feelings 83 percent

1407
01:03:22,700 --> 01:03:18,390
my concern with the welfare of planet

1408
01:03:25,220 --> 01:03:22,710
Earth 85 percent my understanding of

1409
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:25,230
what life is all about okay

1410
01:03:32,750 --> 01:03:28,170
82 percent my personal sense of purpose

1411
01:03:36,140 --> 01:03:32,760
in life 78 percent my concern with

1412
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:36,150
ecological matters 80 percent okay now

1413
01:03:42,290 --> 01:03:39,090
let's look at the opposite things that

1414
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:42,300
decreased okay my concern with material

1415
01:03:45,530 --> 01:03:43,680
things all of a sudden they didn't care

1416
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:45,540
about money money money getting a new

1417
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:48,450
Mercedes every year okay my interest in

1418
01:03:54,770 --> 01:03:51,570
organized religion my competitive

1419
01:03:56,990 --> 01:03:54,780
tendencies my fear of death my desire to

1420
01:04:00,860 --> 01:03:57,000
become well-known now let me ask both of

1421
01:04:03,380 --> 01:04:00,870
you a question okay we this is the

1422
01:04:05,150 --> 01:04:03,390
profile of someone that in my opinion I

1423
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:05,160
would want to have as my best friend I

1424
01:04:10,100 --> 01:04:07,680
would want to have as my wife my brother

1425
01:04:12,110 --> 01:04:10,110
my parents you know how you want to

1426
01:04:15,950 --> 01:04:12,120
raise your kids your children my cohost

1427
01:04:20,780 --> 01:04:18,470
what would happen if these ETS did that

1428
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:20,790
to everybody in the world what type of a

1429
01:04:26,270 --> 01:04:23,730
world would we have don't matter okay

1430
01:04:29,780 --> 01:04:26,280
what we have a world with no suffering

1431
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:29,790
with no people going hunger with no

1432
01:04:35,230 --> 01:04:33,090
highly a wide range of income with

1433
01:04:37,970 --> 01:04:35,240
people going you know starving to death

1434
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:37,980
okay with people getting ahead of each

1435
01:04:43,130 --> 01:04:40,410
other inches you know doing anything to

1436
01:04:44,780 --> 01:04:43,140
get ahead of them okay our people that

1437
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:44,790
are non spiritual versus of people are

1438
01:04:53,060 --> 01:04:48,000
now highly spiritual okay people with no

1439
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:53,070
fear of death okay now that's uh from my

1440
01:04:59,630 --> 01:04:55,770
perspective let these ETS do this don't

1441
01:05:01,940 --> 01:04:59,640
took all of humanity okay now again this

1442
01:05:03,970 --> 01:05:01,950
is 4,200 people that took our survey

1443
01:05:08,050 --> 01:05:03,980
survey from over a hundred countries

1444
01:05:09,910 --> 01:05:08,060
again mainstream materialists ufology is

1445
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:09,920
totally clueless

1446
01:05:15,849 --> 01:05:13,490
about this okay they're still chasing

1447
01:05:18,670 --> 01:05:15,859
the latest New York Times article that

1448
01:05:21,099 --> 01:05:18,680
came out yesterday about all this new

1449
01:05:23,079 --> 01:05:21,109
revelation of the pilot there's one

1450
01:05:24,970 --> 01:05:23,089
pilot that the interviewed have seen a

1451
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:24,980
UFO big deal

1452
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:31,130
okay close thirty feet away

1453
01:05:35,140 --> 01:05:33,290
my wife has called down like four or

1454
01:05:37,569 --> 01:05:35,150
five UFOs all right

1455
01:05:38,500 --> 01:05:37,579
my daughter has seen a UFO right next to

1456
01:05:41,859 --> 01:05:38,510
me thirty feet away

1457
01:05:43,359 --> 01:05:41,869
big deal okay there are tens of

1458
01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:43,369
thousands hundreds of thousands of

1459
01:05:48,510 --> 01:05:45,200
people all over the world that are

1460
01:05:51,490 --> 01:05:48,520
seeing UFOs doctors lawyers physicians

1461
01:05:53,140 --> 01:05:51,500
dr. Joseph Brooks is a physician we have

1462
01:05:55,030 --> 01:05:53,150
four physicians that are part of the

1463
01:05:57,549 --> 01:05:55,040
free organization all of them are

1464
01:05:59,980 --> 01:05:57,559
experiencers I've already spoken in the

1465
01:06:04,539 --> 01:05:59,990
last month to three physicians one the

1466
01:06:06,970 --> 01:06:04,549
latest one was a was a pediatrician okay

1467
01:06:09,250 --> 01:06:06,980
who has had tons of paranormal

1468
01:06:11,770 --> 01:06:09,260
experiences twice she's seen huge UFOs

1469
01:06:13,750 --> 01:06:11,780
that blotted out the stars in the sky

1470
01:06:17,770 --> 01:06:13,760
she was in a car with her husband okay

1471
01:06:20,410 --> 01:06:17,780
so give me a frickin break New

1472
01:06:22,210 --> 01:06:20,420
York Times article this course is taking

1473
01:06:24,430 --> 01:06:22,220
place but it's taking place from the

1474
01:06:35,950 --> 01:06:24,440
bottom up we don't need your

1475
01:06:37,539 --> 01:06:35,960
military I just listening I I'm just

1476
01:06:40,780 --> 01:06:37,549
here for the doughnuts and free coffee I

1477
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:40,790
love listening to you yeah I didn't die

1478
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:42,290
didn't reach the mute button in time

1479
01:06:57,220 --> 01:06:54,819
okay you talk to Joseph dosa Brooks a

1480
01:06:58,900 --> 01:06:57,230
retired medical doctor telling you he's

1481
01:07:02,730 --> 01:06:58,910
seen you of always turns of your

1482
01:07:06,190 --> 01:07:02,740
votes you talk to doctors lawyers

1483
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:06,200
professors okay for wall walk people

1484
01:07:09,789 --> 01:07:08,210
from all walks of life and all of a

1485
01:07:11,859 --> 01:07:09,799
sudden the New York Times is coming out

1486
01:07:18,130 --> 01:07:11,869
with this and everybody in ufology is

1487
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:18,140
going batshit crazy you know is

1488
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:20,000
trying to control the narrative now

1489
01:07:25,930 --> 01:07:22,850
because now people are speaking out pop

1490
01:07:28,570 --> 01:07:25,940
about this phenomenon okay disclosure is

1491
01:07:30,490 --> 01:07:28,580
taking place from the bottom up we don't

1492
01:07:33,130 --> 01:07:30,500
need no government disclosure

1493
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:33,140
panel in Washington DC to tell us what

1494
01:07:38,410 --> 01:07:35,290
the is going on because true

1495
01:07:41,230 --> 01:07:38,420
experiencers are living it on they've

1496
01:07:43,870 --> 01:07:41,240
lived these experiences and we're just

1497
01:07:46,300 --> 01:07:43,880
as credible as a fighter pilot okay I

1498
01:07:48,250 --> 01:07:46,310
went to Berkeley for a PhD okay

1499
01:07:50,410 --> 01:07:48,260
so don't give me this that this

1500
01:07:56,980 --> 01:07:50,420
fighter pilot is more credible than I am

1501
01:08:00,850 --> 01:07:56,990
I was just gonna say I love less ET

1502
01:08:02,860 --> 01:08:00,860
raide you're left speechless by that I

1503
01:08:08,170 --> 01:08:02,870
know that's a rare thing even I can't

1504
01:08:10,660 --> 01:08:08,180
accomplish that we don't either I'm a

1505
01:08:12,130 --> 01:08:10,670
tax attorney with the IRS out of Miami

1506
01:08:14,650 --> 01:08:12,140
Florida okay

1507
01:08:16,690 --> 01:08:14,660
my supervisor knows about my experiences

1508
01:08:18,670 --> 01:08:16,700
he had a paranormal ghost experience

1509
01:08:21,849 --> 01:08:18,680
himself that he told me okay

1510
01:08:23,830 --> 01:08:21,859
so please and I'm almost about to retire

1511
01:08:25,900 --> 01:08:23,840
I'm almost 63 years old I only have a

1512
01:08:31,210 --> 01:08:25,910
few years left they can't do to me

1513
01:08:33,790 --> 01:08:31,220
unless I screw up okay so again I stand

1514
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:33,800
by my words even gonna be go meet you

1515
01:08:40,060 --> 01:08:36,410
two we love you for saying them by the

1516
01:08:44,620 --> 01:08:40,070
way ray is has the honor of having said

1517
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:44,630
the f-word repeatedly since I've been on

1518
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:45,920
with you Frank that's the second time

1519
01:08:50,530 --> 01:08:48,890
Dean Alioto was the movie director he

1520
01:08:59,950 --> 01:08:50,540
was the first person that actually did

1521
01:09:01,599 --> 01:08:59,960
that yeah people are under the false

1522
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:01,609
impression that we have to adhere to

1523
01:09:10,300 --> 01:09:06,890
those broadcast Angelina Frank and

1524
01:09:13,480 --> 01:09:10,310
chant I get so upset by that stuff okay

1525
01:09:16,750 --> 01:09:13,490
I get so upset because it's being front

1526
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:16,760
page on the New York Times and yet they

1527
01:09:21,820 --> 01:09:18,290
won't even give the decency of

1528
01:09:24,580 --> 01:09:21,830
interviewing dr. Rudy Shields who's the

1529
01:09:26,530 --> 01:09:24,590
director of our organization who is a 79

1530
01:09:29,650 --> 01:09:26,540
year old emeritus professor of

1531
01:09:32,050 --> 01:09:29,660
astrophysics Harvard University for over

1532
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:32,060
45 years he has just as many

1533
01:09:36,609 --> 01:09:34,130
peer-reviewed publication publications

1534
01:09:38,649 --> 01:09:36,619
as Stephen Hawking okay

1535
01:09:41,109 --> 01:09:38,659
but yet they won't even go near him

1536
01:09:43,209 --> 01:09:41,119
Klaus Swanson who has a PhD in physics

1537
01:09:45,309 --> 01:09:43,219
from Princeton University the same

1538
01:09:47,260 --> 01:09:45,319
University that Albert Einstein taught

1539
01:09:49,809 --> 01:09:47,270
when he came from Germany they won't

1540
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:49,819
have the decency to interview him okay

1541
01:09:56,020 --> 01:09:52,730
dr. Gary Schwartz okay this man got a

1542
01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:56,030
PhD from Harvard okay he was a professor

1543
01:09:59,530 --> 01:09:57,770
at Yale University a full professor not

1544
01:10:01,479 --> 01:09:59,540
he's trying to get tenured know he was a

1545
01:10:03,459 --> 01:10:01,489
tenured professor with tons of

1546
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:03,469
publications they don't have the decency

1547
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:06,290
of interviewing him I could go on and on

1548
01:10:11,709 --> 01:10:09,170
and on with all these academics and yet

1549
01:10:13,359 --> 01:10:11,719
the interview this guy who is a pilot he

1550
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:13,369
was just a pilot that's it and

1551
01:10:18,700 --> 01:10:16,250
he retired after ten years and he's like

1552
01:10:22,209 --> 01:10:18,710
they're using him as like the father of

1553
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:22,219
disclosure you know and I could

1554
01:10:26,770 --> 01:10:24,530
give him right now tons of of retired

1555
01:10:29,260 --> 01:10:26,780
medical doctors lawyers attorneys

1556
01:10:32,050 --> 01:10:29,270
retired professors that have called on a

1557
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:32,060
UFO and I've seen UFOs so if you really

1558
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:34,610
want to get the real story please get

1559
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:36,320
out of that military controlled

1560
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:37,610
operation that people are being

1561
01:10:41,649 --> 01:10:38,480
spoon-fed

1562
01:10:44,750 --> 01:10:41,659
and wake up to reality I think you

1563
01:10:51,300 --> 01:10:44,760
should have your own talk show yeah

1564
01:10:56,379 --> 01:10:53,979
because everyone thinks the same way

1565
01:10:59,760 --> 01:10:56,389
under the table they talk about it much

1566
01:11:01,839 --> 01:10:59,770
much you know I just don't give a

1567
01:11:04,839 --> 01:11:01,849
how we love you for it

1568
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:04,849
yeah it's something I can hear the New

1569
01:11:12,030 --> 01:11:06,560
York coming out of him you spend a lot

1570
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:16,450
oh my gosh

1571
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:18,650
all right we use that we used to living

1572
01:11:22,570 --> 01:11:20,210
up there during the the Hudson Valley

1573
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:22,580
cases already already moved south that

1574
01:11:30,250 --> 01:11:26,810
let me see I was there in I went to

1575
01:11:32,859 --> 01:11:30,260
Rutgers I left there in 79 okay yeah I

1576
01:11:35,260 --> 01:11:32,869
think in 79 I care it that happened

1577
01:11:36,820 --> 01:11:35,270
later I think and then I returned back

1578
01:11:40,540 --> 01:11:36,830
to New York in 88

1579
01:11:43,149 --> 01:11:40,550
after I left Berkeley so in in the

1580
01:11:46,149 --> 01:11:43,159
towards the end the fall of 88 I moved

1581
01:11:47,890 --> 01:11:46,159
back to New York and we lived in Queens

1582
01:11:50,169 --> 01:11:47,900
at that time do you remember all that

1583
01:11:50,410 --> 01:11:50,179
because it was up up further up the

1584
01:11:53,140 --> 01:11:50,420
river

1585
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:53,150
a little bit about where I had no idea

1586
01:11:57,450 --> 01:11:55,250
that these things were taking place yeah

1587
01:12:00,250 --> 01:11:57,460
zero interest in these things

1588
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:00,260
yeah I know the area a little bit up

1589
01:12:03,729 --> 01:12:01,850
near Indian point where the nuclear

1590
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:03,739
plant is and all up through that area

1591
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:05,090
that's for a lot of those sightings

1592
01:12:11,580 --> 01:12:06,050
right

1593
01:12:17,470 --> 01:12:16,300
yeah Bear Mountain exactly yeah any of

1594
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:17,480
these things that we're talking about

1595
01:12:22,660 --> 01:12:19,730
until 2012 I thought all of you were

1596
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:22,670
crazy okay so there was that it was that

1597
01:12:33,580 --> 01:12:31,489
reason I got that's got some good pills

1598
01:12:35,350 --> 01:12:33,590
to give you you know because I know

1599
01:12:44,590 --> 01:12:35,360
family members that are taking them and

1600
01:12:46,270 --> 01:12:44,600
I was totally clueless I just love

1601
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:46,280
listening to Ray I don't care what he's

1602
01:12:50,890 --> 01:12:47,890
talking about

1603
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:50,900
um ray would you mind giving abbreviated

1604
01:12:56,290 --> 01:12:53,090
version of what occurred to you and what

1605
01:12:57,790 --> 01:12:56,300
caused you to be sort of initiate

1606
01:12:59,919 --> 01:12:57,800
yourself into the process of learning

1607
01:13:03,479 --> 01:12:59,929
where you're at I like that word

1608
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:03,489
initiate it was more like a two-by-four

1609
01:13:10,209 --> 01:13:06,410
ET two-by-four that knocked the out

1610
01:13:12,189 --> 01:13:10,219
of me you know what it was we had a dog

1611
01:13:16,410 --> 01:13:12,199
that was 15 years old a Jack Russell

1612
01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:16,420
terrier she had been quite ill for uh

1613
01:13:21,370 --> 01:13:19,040
for about a year and a half she was

1614
01:13:24,660 --> 01:13:21,380
taking viagra for her heart she was

1615
01:13:27,250 --> 01:13:24,670
taking Durrett extol acquitted her body

1616
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:27,260
she had severe arthritis she couldn't

1617
01:13:30,910 --> 01:13:29,570
run she couldn't jump but we just didn't

1618
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:30,920
want to euthanize her because she was

1619
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:34,250
like our first daughter and so you know

1620
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:36,080
all that medication would cost a lot of

1621
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:37,489
money and Plus taking her to the vet all

1622
01:13:44,459 --> 01:13:40,370
the time and so then one evening on a

1623
01:13:48,189 --> 01:13:44,469
Saturday night at about eight o'clock

1624
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:48,199
she became totally paralyzed and so then

1625
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:51,290
I called our vet and I described to him

1626
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:53,330
what was happening he says what you're

1627
01:13:57,550 --> 01:13:54,650
telling me it seems like she had a

1628
01:14:00,250 --> 01:13:57,560
cerebral hemorrhage a stroke and he says

1629
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:00,260
look I'll open up the office tomorrow so

1630
01:14:04,370 --> 01:14:02,449
we can euthanize her so then my wife had

1631
01:14:06,140 --> 01:14:04,380
come from a three-day

1632
01:14:07,940 --> 01:14:06,150
retreat at the Catholic Church it was

1633
01:14:10,670 --> 01:14:07,950
all praying that's all you do for three

1634
01:14:12,500 --> 01:14:10,680
days is pray you know and me it was like

1635
01:14:15,230 --> 01:14:12,510
the only way she got me to the church as

1636
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:15,240
if you know she grabbed me by the

1637
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:17,250
you-know-what you know and said you're

1638
01:14:21,110 --> 01:14:18,960
not gonna get any dinner you know for

1639
01:14:22,820 --> 01:14:21,120
the next month unless you go to church

1640
01:14:25,790 --> 01:14:22,830
with me you know so that's how I would

1641
01:14:30,290 --> 01:14:25,800
go and so so she already had come back

1642
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:30,300
from three days of prayer and so I told

1643
01:14:33,380 --> 01:14:31,410
her what had happened she was very

1644
01:14:35,900 --> 01:14:33,390
depressed she started to cry and mealy

1645
01:14:38,300 --> 01:14:35,910
she started to pray so all night she was

1646
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:38,310
praying like 12 o'clock I went to sleep

1647
01:14:43,790 --> 01:14:40,650
you know that's that's that's her stuff

1648
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:43,800
let her pray away you know now I know

1649
01:14:47,630 --> 01:14:46,050
that this power in prayer but back then

1650
01:14:49,730 --> 01:14:47,640
I was totally clueless about these

1651
01:14:52,490 --> 01:14:49,740
things so in the morning at 6 o'clock

1652
01:14:54,290 --> 01:14:52,500
the dog was barking we both woke up we

1653
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:54,300
checked her out and we thought maybe she

1654
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:56,130
was you know she had it was better maybe

1655
01:15:01,100 --> 01:14:57,810
it's just a temporary thing but no she

1656
01:15:02,750 --> 01:15:01,110
was still totally paralyzed so I went

1657
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:02,760
back to sleep and my wife carried her

1658
01:15:07,940 --> 01:15:04,560
down the stairs to see if she could go

1659
01:15:09,410 --> 01:15:07,950
to the bathroom so in the in the living

1660
01:15:13,010 --> 01:15:09,420
room and the corner of the living room

1661
01:15:15,740 --> 01:15:13,020
my wife saw an object that was semi

1662
01:15:18,830 --> 01:15:15,750
physical but was in and out of reality

1663
01:15:22,820 --> 01:15:18,840
it was like silverish and like mounish

1664
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:22,830
color semi-transparent but sometimes be

1665
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:24,330
more physical other times it would be

1666
01:15:30,860 --> 01:15:26,010
less physical and it looked like an

1667
01:15:33,230 --> 01:15:30,870
upside-down you approximately recall was

1668
01:15:36,730 --> 01:15:33,240
about a foot wide by a foot and a half

1669
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:36,740
in height just picture like an upside

1670
01:15:42,050 --> 01:15:39,570
semi-metallic facing in and out of

1671
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:42,060
reality for harbouring four feet off the

1672
01:15:46,130 --> 01:15:45,090
ground and then she maybe she thought it

1673
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:46,140
was an angel because she had been

1674
01:15:49,790 --> 01:15:48,090
praying all night you know for a miracle

1675
01:15:51,890 --> 01:15:49,800
she says this is my angels come and

1676
01:15:54,380 --> 01:15:51,900
visit at me she started you know right

1677
01:15:56,420 --> 01:15:54,390
there praying and then from that object

1678
01:15:59,360 --> 01:15:56,430
these two green lights started beaming

1679
01:16:02,540 --> 01:15:59,370
up on her like a beam okay like a laser

1680
01:16:04,730 --> 01:16:02,550
beam and then it shot from this side

1681
01:16:06,110 --> 01:16:04,740
white fluorescent light so then she

1682
01:16:07,550 --> 01:16:06,120
started calling me not because she was

1683
01:16:09,650 --> 01:16:07,560
scared but she wanted me to see her

1684
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:09,660
angel she was totally convinced that was

1685
01:16:16,730 --> 01:16:11,850
an angel and it turned out that she was

1686
01:16:18,259 --> 01:16:16,740
correct okay so then I told ignored her

1687
01:16:20,569 --> 01:16:18,269
she then went upstairs

1688
01:16:22,819 --> 01:16:20,579
and she hauled me out of bed physically

1689
01:16:24,589 --> 01:16:22,829
grabbed me and what is it what is it

1690
01:16:27,799 --> 01:16:24,599
you'll see you'll see what is it what is

1691
01:16:29,450 --> 01:16:27,809
it you'll see and so we both went down

1692
01:16:33,229 --> 01:16:29,460
the stairs she was walking ahead of me

1693
01:16:35,930 --> 01:16:33,239
like a couple of steps like three or

1694
01:16:38,270 --> 01:16:35,940
four steps are in front of me and then

1695
01:16:40,250 --> 01:16:38,280
when she got down to the living room all

1696
01:16:42,799 --> 01:16:40,260
again what I'm gonna tell you now happen

1697
01:16:44,930 --> 01:16:42,809
instantaneously so as I'm saying it

1698
01:16:48,290 --> 01:16:44,940
takes a long time to explain it but this

1699
01:16:50,029 --> 01:16:48,300
took you know fractions of a second all

1700
01:16:54,049 --> 01:16:50,039
of a sudden she disappears in front of

1701
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:54,059
me with the dog then immediately some

1702
01:16:59,209 --> 01:16:56,010
type of intelligence took over my mind

1703
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:59,219
my consciousness I didn't care that my

1704
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:00,480
wife disappeared that the dog

1705
01:17:05,839 --> 01:17:03,210
disappeared I then had all of my

1706
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:05,849
peripheral vision was gone the only

1707
01:17:10,220 --> 01:17:08,159
thing I could see was one corner of the

1708
01:17:12,290 --> 01:17:10,230
living room it's sort of like as if you

1709
01:17:14,779 --> 01:17:12,300
put your uh you get your hand you put a

1710
01:17:15,890 --> 01:17:14,789
circle like a funnel and you put it to

1711
01:17:18,859 --> 01:17:15,900
your eye like you're looking through a

1712
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:18,869
binocular everything around was all dark

1713
01:17:24,350 --> 01:17:21,690
it was only that center spot okay and so

1714
01:17:28,330 --> 01:17:24,360
in that center spot was what I call an

1715
01:17:31,370 --> 01:17:28,340
energy being okay it was roughly

1716
01:17:35,930 --> 01:17:31,380
two-and-a-half feet wide by a foot in

1717
01:17:37,850 --> 01:17:35,940
height it was rectangular in shape but

1718
01:17:41,259 --> 01:17:37,860
didn't have any edges because it was

1719
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:41,269
pure energy four feet off the ground

1720
01:17:45,709 --> 01:17:43,440
multi-coloured numerous colors and they

1721
01:17:47,239 --> 01:17:45,719
were all waving like like a desert

1722
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:47,249
Mirage you know how it waves

1723
01:17:53,029 --> 01:17:49,530
it was all these colors were waving it

1724
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:53,039
was semi-transparent okay and then I did

1725
01:17:57,229 --> 01:17:54,960
something for six months I didn't

1726
01:17:59,989 --> 01:17:57,239
understand why I did it but basically I

1727
01:18:02,720 --> 01:17:59,999
looked at that object I squinted at it

1728
01:18:05,390 --> 01:18:02,730
and I waved my hand at it and I said I

1729
01:18:06,649 --> 01:18:05,400
this is what she got me down

1730
01:18:09,649 --> 01:18:06,659
here for for this crap

1731
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:09,659
and I went ACK then I turned around I

1732
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:11,010
walked up the stairs

1733
01:18:16,069 --> 01:18:14,400
I went to bed I merely got to bed I put

1734
01:18:17,989 --> 01:18:16,079
my hands on my chest I look straight up

1735
01:18:21,859 --> 01:18:17,999
at the ceiling and I was knocked out

1736
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:21,869
okay 45 minutes later I look forward if

1737
01:18:24,140 --> 01:18:23,610
I I know it's 45 because when I got

1738
01:18:25,609 --> 01:18:24,150
downstairs

1739
01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:25,619
I eventually looked at the clock right

1740
01:18:31,250 --> 01:18:28,320
45 minutes later I woke up and that was

1741
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:31,260
fully conscious I got my mind back okay

1742
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:32,010
I

1743
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:34,410
ran down the stairs and puffed my wife

1744
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:35,760
is in the middle of living room saying

1745
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:39,690
in Spanish hello saengil is like what I

1746
01:18:43,460 --> 01:18:40,800
don't know something like her are Oh

1747
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:43,470
hallelujah hallelujah the Angels cured

1748
01:18:48,500 --> 01:18:46,560
her the Angels cured her okay and the

1749
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:48,510
dog was running around the whole living

1750
01:18:53,180 --> 01:18:50,730
room not like the dog that she was

1751
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:53,190
before because she couldn't run she

1752
01:18:56,900 --> 01:18:54,810
couldn't jump she was like a teenager

1753
01:18:58,970 --> 01:18:56,910
running around the whole living room

1754
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:58,980
jumping and jumping and celebrating she

1755
01:19:02,570 --> 01:19:00,960
would pick her up and dance with her and

1756
01:19:04,130 --> 01:19:02,580
hug her and kiss her and put her down

1757
01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:04,140
and she would continue celebrating and

1758
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:06,000
the dog was running around holder now

1759
01:19:11,060 --> 01:19:09,210
for me it was like an atom bomb exploded

1760
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:11,070
in my head okay

1761
01:19:17,990 --> 01:19:14,880
boom your whole conception of reality is

1762
01:19:20,780 --> 01:19:18,000
totally destroyed okay you don't know

1763
01:19:23,330 --> 01:19:20,790
whether this was a dream still going on

1764
01:19:25,250 --> 01:19:23,340
okay whether that was a dream you don't

1765
01:19:26,660 --> 01:19:25,260
know what the hell is happening right so

1766
01:19:28,310 --> 01:19:26,670
then I began to ask her tons of

1767
01:19:30,230 --> 01:19:28,320
questions I said what the hell happen

1768
01:19:31,790 --> 01:19:30,240
where were you you disappeared I didn't

1769
01:19:35,390 --> 01:19:31,800
disappear I was here the whole time I

1770
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:35,400
said no and she says it was the angels

1771
01:19:38,480 --> 01:19:36,690
they came in the curia I said what

1772
01:19:40,670 --> 01:19:38,490
angels I didn't see any angels she said

1773
01:19:42,950 --> 01:19:40,680
you were there you saw it and and I said

1774
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:42,960
what I saw that I describe the energy

1775
01:19:48,170 --> 01:19:45,930
being but you were there when I saw that

1776
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:48,180
you were gone she's I didn't see that

1777
01:19:53,150 --> 01:19:50,850
then she described what she saw what had

1778
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:53,160
happened it was only six months later

1779
01:19:58,820 --> 01:19:56,250
after a third major experience that I

1780
01:20:00,920 --> 01:19:58,830
called MUFON I was on the internet and I

1781
01:20:03,140 --> 01:20:00,930
found out that this organization and

1782
01:20:06,170 --> 01:20:03,150
then this lady named Mary Margaret

1783
01:20:10,490 --> 01:20:06,180
Zimmer came by my house he was a retired

1784
01:20:12,170 --> 01:20:10,500
school teacher her husband is retired he

1785
01:20:14,420 --> 01:20:12,180
worked for the Hurricane Center he was a

1786
01:20:15,710 --> 01:20:14,430
meteorologist he had just retired he was

1787
01:20:18,590 --> 01:20:15,720
an elderly man

1788
01:20:21,950 --> 01:20:18,600
they were both elderly and and they she

1789
01:20:24,740 --> 01:20:21,960
she she she came first he came the

1790
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:24,750
second time they came to visit and and

1791
01:20:30,710 --> 01:20:27,600
so she took down all of our information

1792
01:20:32,660 --> 01:20:30,720
and then I asked her I said oh and then

1793
01:20:35,150 --> 01:20:32,670
she told us what happened with your wife

1794
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:35,160
is she had missing time and then she

1795
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:37,650
went on to explain it I had no idea what

1796
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:39,090
missing time was okay

1797
01:20:44,540 --> 01:20:41,280
we had no conception of what that was

1798
01:20:45,870 --> 01:20:44,550
and and so she then explained it went

1799
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:45,880
into the details

1800
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:48,250
for my wife she had gone down the stairs

1801
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:51,130
in front of me she then looked down the

1802
01:20:55,590 --> 01:20:52,810
dog was running around and she started

1803
01:20:57,570 --> 01:20:55,600
celebrating okay she had no idea where

1804
01:20:58,860 --> 01:20:57,580
she was those 45 minutes okay she

1805
01:21:03,899 --> 01:20:58,870
thought I was behind her the whole time

1806
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:03,909
okay all right and so you know initially

1807
01:21:08,430 --> 01:21:06,130
I thought it was in her normal related

1808
01:21:10,220 --> 01:21:08,440
so I was on the internet you know eight

1809
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:10,230
hours a day on the Internet you know

1810
01:21:14,610 --> 01:21:12,010
paranormal this paranormal that

1811
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:14,620
paranormal this and then I said maybe

1812
01:21:19,260 --> 01:21:16,210
was you a four related because in

1813
01:21:22,590 --> 01:21:19,270
Spanish she said say Perez here como una

1814
01:21:27,780 --> 01:21:22,600
pequeña Navi it looked like a small

1815
01:21:29,459 --> 01:21:27,790
craft okay and then later later on she

1816
01:21:32,580 --> 01:21:29,469
said she could have sworn that there was

1817
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:32,590
the people inside that craft okay but

1818
01:21:35,490 --> 01:21:34,090
that was much later on when she was like

1819
01:21:37,950 --> 01:21:35,500
thinking about it okay

1820
01:21:39,689 --> 01:21:37,960
so but then I said maybe it's you were

1821
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:39,699
related but UFOs are supposed to be

1822
01:21:43,890 --> 01:21:41,650
outside there's supposed to be these big

1823
01:21:46,110 --> 01:21:43,900
things you know well why why was this

1824
01:21:49,500 --> 01:21:46,120
thing inside our living room small you

1825
01:21:52,050 --> 01:21:49,510
know and so it was total bedlam and

1826
01:21:54,510 --> 01:21:52,060
confusion okay and it was until two

1827
01:21:57,750 --> 01:21:54,520
months later that the dog woke my wife

1828
01:22:00,750 --> 01:21:57,760
up at 3:30 in the morning okay my wife

1829
01:22:04,500 --> 01:22:00,760
then got up and went down the stairs to

1830
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:04,510
try to open the back door well we had a

1831
01:22:07,979 --> 01:22:06,850
dog door a little doggie door you know

1832
01:22:09,209 --> 01:22:07,989
to go into the back she didn't want to

1833
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:09,219
go there she was jumping on the front

1834
01:22:14,610 --> 01:22:11,290
door which she never did unless we had a

1835
01:22:16,290 --> 01:22:14,620
chain right so then my wife opened the

1836
01:22:19,140 --> 01:22:16,300
front door she went down the stairs with

1837
01:22:21,570 --> 01:22:19,150
the dog and then she heard this huge

1838
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:21,580
gigantic noise that lasted like a minute

1839
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:24,010
she said was like a 747 jet was right

1840
01:22:28,770 --> 01:22:26,290
above her and then after that stopped

1841
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:28,780
she looked up and it was a huge gigantic

1842
01:22:34,590 --> 01:22:32,290
UFO and this one was physical it was

1843
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:34,600
like the Goodyear blimp and she had

1844
01:22:40,020 --> 01:22:37,600
colored she says oh my angels came and

1845
01:22:42,689 --> 01:22:40,030
visited me last night they came in a

1846
01:22:44,580 --> 01:22:42,699
beautiful angelic craft and it had

1847
01:22:48,419 --> 01:22:44,590
stained glass windows just like our

1848
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:48,429
church you know and then I answered to

1849
01:22:52,020 --> 01:22:50,800
describe it into draw it and she drew

1850
01:22:53,910 --> 01:22:52,030
like a Goodyear blimp

1851
01:22:57,450 --> 01:22:53,920
except on the edges it had all these

1852
01:22:59,790 --> 01:22:57,460
stained-glass windows and and so I said

1853
01:23:01,290 --> 01:22:59,800
you to see angels you saw you of all

1854
01:23:04,500 --> 01:23:01,300
she was all you wouldn't understand

1855
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:04,510
you're an atheist you know so that was

1856
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:08,370
the and and back then I hadn't had my

1857
01:23:13,500 --> 01:23:10,930
IET contact experiences where they gave

1858
01:23:16,980 --> 01:23:13,510
me spirituality that's a lengthy

1859
01:23:18,750 --> 01:23:16,990
discussion of how that took place but

1860
01:23:21,450 --> 01:23:18,760
but but that was the first time that I

1861
01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:21,460
said this is your four related okay and

1862
01:23:25,170 --> 01:23:23,440
then about a month and a half later she

1863
01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:25,180
went to Mexico she stayed a month in

1864
01:23:30,690 --> 01:23:27,760
Mexico with her with her family with my

1865
01:23:34,020 --> 01:23:30,700
daughter and four times she called out

1866
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:34,030
her angels and guess what four times

1867
01:23:40,650 --> 01:23:38,530
they appeared okay and then one time she

1868
01:23:43,410 --> 01:23:40,660
described three human looking beings

1869
01:23:44,940 --> 01:23:43,420
that were seven to eight feet tall that

1870
01:23:48,210 --> 01:23:44,950
would dress in white monk's robes

1871
01:23:51,090 --> 01:23:48,220
she said that they didn't look human but

1872
01:23:53,220 --> 01:23:51,100
they were very close to human and there

1873
01:23:55,710 --> 01:23:53,230
they we had bald heads their head was

1874
01:23:57,960 --> 01:23:55,720
not like a normal human head and that

1875
01:24:00,720 --> 01:23:57,970
they floated right in front of her let

1876
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:00,730
it walk they floated and that a certain

1877
01:24:06,180 --> 01:24:02,530
distance they D materialized and

1878
01:24:09,090 --> 01:24:06,190
disappeared and then and she was having

1879
01:24:12,900 --> 01:24:09,100
tons of these how should I call

1880
01:24:14,700 --> 01:24:12,910
precognition abilities tongue it was

1881
01:24:18,390 --> 01:24:14,710
like months and months she detected a

1882
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:18,400
tumor on my back okay

1883
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:20,170
she like put her hand on my back you got

1884
01:24:24,450 --> 01:24:22,810
a tumor right there I said what I don't

1885
01:24:27,540 --> 01:24:24,460
feel like that you know and then she

1886
01:24:29,670 --> 01:24:27,550
touched it you know no but she would

1887
01:24:32,010 --> 01:24:29,680
then put her hand on top of it like she

1888
01:24:34,740 --> 01:24:32,020
read it and you got a - I went to the

1889
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:34,750
doctor yeah boy you got a tumor back

1890
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:37,810
there needs operation and he and he he

1891
01:24:43,140 --> 01:24:41,290
cut open like you know the surgeon like

1892
01:24:45,570 --> 01:24:43,150
an eight inch scar to my back and took

1893
01:24:47,310 --> 01:24:45,580
out this huge tumor and I always tell

1894
01:24:54,630 --> 01:24:47,320
people about my wife nice to me you know

1895
01:24:59,250 --> 01:24:54,640
she got pissed off at me conference in

1896
01:25:01,020 --> 01:24:59,260
Sebring Maine in 2013 that was right

1897
01:25:02,220 --> 01:25:01,030
before I had my out-of-body experience

1898
01:25:05,730 --> 01:25:02,230
where they broke into this matrix

1899
01:25:07,980 --> 01:25:05,740
reality like a couple of days afterwards

1900
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:07,990
and that's where I met grant Cameron and

1901
01:25:13,170 --> 01:25:11,530
he introduced me to Chris bludso okay he

1902
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:13,180
called Chris bludsoe right in front of

1903
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:13,330
me

1904
01:25:21,330 --> 01:25:19,570
healed right in front of him right front

1905
01:25:23,310 --> 01:25:21,340
of grant right and then there's another

1906
01:25:27,090 --> 01:25:23,320
story later on with Chris Bledsoe you

1907
01:25:29,250 --> 01:25:27,100
know a crazy story involving me and him

1908
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:29,260
in advanced physics which I won't go

1909
01:25:33,450 --> 01:25:32,290
into I was very proud right private but

1910
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:33,460
anyway I was going to go to this

1911
01:25:37,650 --> 01:25:35,530
conference where that's where I met

1912
01:25:38,910 --> 01:25:37,660
Kathy Martin I hadn't become friends

1913
01:25:39,570 --> 01:25:38,920
with her at the conference was much

1914
01:25:42,420 --> 01:25:39,580
later on

1915
01:25:44,700 --> 01:25:42,430
Denise stoner dragged Carmen spoke and

1916
01:25:46,980 --> 01:25:44,710
it was a conference by Paulo Harris okay

1917
01:25:49,740 --> 01:25:46,990
and so it was at this workshop that

1918
01:25:50,670 --> 01:25:49,750
Yvonne Smith held in the morning where

1919
01:25:52,710 --> 01:25:50,680
people were talking about their

1920
01:25:54,780 --> 01:25:52,720
experiences so my wife and I talked

1921
01:25:57,330 --> 01:25:54,790
about our experience and it was grant

1922
01:25:58,890 --> 01:25:57,340
and grant that came to us afterwards he

1923
01:26:00,480 --> 01:25:58,900
says I just came from the home of prison

1924
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:00,490
blood so where his door was like

1925
01:26:04,020 --> 01:26:01,930
spouting blood all over the freaking

1926
01:26:05,970 --> 01:26:04,030
place and Chris grabbed the towel and

1927
01:26:08,340 --> 01:26:05,980
put it right on him and the blood

1928
01:26:11,250 --> 01:26:08,350
stopped but we tried looking for the cut

1929
01:26:13,260 --> 01:26:11,260
there was no cut but if he was spewing

1930
01:26:15,630 --> 01:26:13,270
blood all over the place you know and

1931
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:15,640
then and then the dog was wagging his

1932
01:26:18,750 --> 01:26:16,960
tail running around like nothing had

1933
01:26:20,340 --> 01:26:18,760
happened it was totally healed was a

1934
01:26:22,890 --> 01:26:20,350
totally healing right in front of okay

1935
01:26:25,380 --> 01:26:22,900
so that's when he he called Chris blood

1936
01:26:28,950 --> 01:26:25,390
so right in front of me you know and and

1937
01:26:30,990 --> 01:26:28,960
so anyway my a week before that event

1938
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:31,000
that conference I'm not going up there

1939
01:26:34,980 --> 01:26:32,530
I'm not going up there it's like a

1940
01:26:36,900 --> 01:26:34,990
three-hour trip the car is gonna explode

1941
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:36,910
the cars gonna explode I said what do

1942
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:38,410
you mean the car's gonna explode she

1943
01:26:40,980 --> 01:26:39,610
said their condition is not working

1944
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:40,990
their condition is not working I put my

1945
01:26:45,060 --> 01:26:42,850
hand on the collision look I'm freezing

1946
01:26:47,100 --> 01:26:45,070
my freaking ass off look look at the

1947
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:47,110
hand you know what do you mean there

1948
01:26:50,010 --> 01:26:48,970
this is that working I going up there

1949
01:26:52,530 --> 01:26:50,020
the cars got explored ain't going up

1950
01:26:54,390 --> 01:26:52,540
there finally a few days before the

1951
01:26:56,370 --> 01:26:54,400
conference because it took me almost a

1952
01:26:57,540 --> 01:26:56,380
month to convince her to go up there I

1953
01:27:00,300 --> 01:26:57,550
said look sweet it's gonna be a

1954
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:00,310
honeymoon okay we're gonna spend most of

1955
01:27:03,690 --> 01:27:01,570
the time in bed instead of at the

1956
01:27:07,350 --> 01:27:03,700
conference and then she's okay I'll go

1957
01:27:09,030 --> 01:27:07,360
you know and and so you know cuz you

1958
01:27:13,020 --> 01:27:09,040
know couples really we get out you know

1959
01:27:14,670 --> 01:27:13,030
and so um so here we are I said bad

1960
01:27:16,020 --> 01:27:14,680
I got a bait to stick happen right so I

1961
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:16,030
brought the car to the mechanic right

1962
01:27:20,430 --> 01:27:18,730
just to shut her up with a cat exam well

1963
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:20,440
guess what you're lucky you didn't go to

1964
01:27:26,100 --> 01:27:22,810
that trip because the engine would have

1965
01:27:27,210 --> 01:27:26,110
exploded all right so these are just

1966
01:27:31,260 --> 01:27:27,220
examples

1967
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:31,270
of my wife okay of these snakes but yet

1968
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:33,760
our survey came up with these things

1969
01:27:37,230 --> 01:27:35,770
tons of people were having these

1970
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:37,240
precognition skills and it's not just

1971
01:27:42,740 --> 01:27:39,730
your phone contact experiences its NDE

1972
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:42,750
contact experiences okay and again

1973
01:27:48,450 --> 01:27:45,250
mainstream ufology these people are

1974
01:27:50,010 --> 01:27:48,460
totally clueless okay all these people

1975
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:50,020
that I go to these I'm gonna be going to

1976
01:27:53,940 --> 01:27:51,970
all these conferences to tour cat I look

1977
01:27:59,970 --> 01:27:53,950
at them and in my head I'm thinking

1978
01:28:01,470 --> 01:27:59,980
you're clueless you know I'm

1979
01:28:11,460 --> 01:28:01,480
still laughing about what he said about

1980
01:28:14,210 --> 01:28:11,470
earlier I won't mention Freight Frank

1981
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:14,220
and I both know Chris bludsoe he's a

1982
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:16,960
wonderful person he left him he's so

1983
01:28:21,420 --> 01:28:18,970
fantastic such a warm-hearted person

1984
01:28:25,290 --> 01:28:21,430
very caring very loving very giving very

1985
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:25,300
good family man and has nothing but the

1986
01:28:28,380 --> 01:28:26,890
highest respect for people and he just

1987
01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:28,390
treats people really well and we just

1988
01:28:34,770 --> 01:28:31,450
really adore him yeah I love Chris and I

1989
01:28:37,020 --> 01:28:34,780
love his wife too yes and later on off

1990
01:28:38,850 --> 01:28:37,030
the air but it's a very very lengthy

1991
01:28:42,270 --> 01:28:38,860
conversation I might tell you you know

1992
01:28:46,020 --> 01:28:42,280
how this whole thing with Chris God got

1993
01:28:48,270 --> 01:28:46,030
got together but again it's it's it's hi

1994
01:28:50,790 --> 01:28:48,280
strangers on top of highest ranges from

1995
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:50,800
both of us not just him from both of us

1996
01:28:56,340 --> 01:28:53,770
and and we maintained a lifelong link

1997
01:28:58,560 --> 01:28:56,350
because of these two highs cases of high

1998
01:29:01,170 --> 01:28:58,570
strangeness which forced me to go up

1999
01:29:02,780 --> 01:29:01,180
there to his house and well rate let me

2000
01:29:04,890 --> 01:29:02,790
jump in and ask you this do you think

2001
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:04,900
yeah well when you get together with

2002
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:07,090
other folks and they you've talked about

2003
01:29:11,580 --> 01:29:08,890
having these experiences with mrs.

2004
01:29:12,810 --> 01:29:11,590
Hernandez do you think when there are a

2005
01:29:14,730 --> 01:29:12,820
couple of you are more get together

2006
01:29:16,770 --> 01:29:14,740
that's kind of a force multiplier in

2007
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:16,780
terms of bringing this type of a high

2008
01:29:22,590 --> 01:29:19,690
strangeness out oh I definitely think

2009
01:29:24,180 --> 01:29:22,600
especially with ce-5 when you do ce-5 it

2010
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:24,190
can't be these huge groups of 200 people

2011
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:27,250
okay it has to be a small group and if

2012
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:30,400
you get people that that live like

2013
01:29:34,290 --> 01:29:32,410
paranormal lives you know high level

2014
01:29:37,380 --> 01:29:34,300
experiences you're gonna have a show

2015
01:29:40,839 --> 01:29:37,390
okay you guys know Mike Marburg well I

2016
01:29:43,839 --> 01:29:40,849
do not know okay no no okay he's an

2017
01:29:46,810 --> 01:29:43,849
a Princeton graduate ok he's an attorney

2018
01:29:48,790 --> 01:29:46,820
in North Florida again New York Times

2019
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:48,800
interview Mike ok he graduated from

2020
01:29:56,109 --> 01:29:53,690
Princeton ok New York Times interview

2021
01:29:59,979 --> 01:29:56,119
I forgot always mispronounce her name

2022
01:30:01,839 --> 01:29:59,989
the Nancy the Tatra ok I know yeah yeah

2023
01:30:04,060 --> 01:30:01,849
she's in North Jersey I know her correct

2024
01:30:06,669 --> 01:30:04,070
another Princeton grad Hollis Polk

2025
01:30:09,430 --> 01:30:06,679
another Princeton grad major contact

2026
01:30:12,189 --> 01:30:09,440
experience er she then went to Harvard

2027
01:30:13,959 --> 01:30:12,199
to get an MBA from Harvard ok all these

2028
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:13,969
three these are just examples off the

2029
01:30:18,580 --> 01:30:16,730
top of interview you okay you'll give

2030
01:30:20,620 --> 01:30:18,590
them some great quotes you know I mean

2031
01:30:23,620 --> 01:30:20,630
these are all high-level experiences I'm

2032
01:30:26,260 --> 01:30:23,630
sure people of 10 people from Florida

2033
01:30:28,540 --> 01:30:26,270
most of them were high level experiences

2034
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:28,550
to go up there the problem was that we

2035
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:31,010
went there last year in February okay

2036
01:30:36,580 --> 01:30:34,250
cold as hell we were freezing our asses

2037
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:36,590
off right so everybody by 12 o'clock

2038
01:30:41,260 --> 01:30:38,449
went in they said screw this you know

2039
01:30:44,109 --> 01:30:41,270
and so at 12:30 something in my head

2040
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:44,119
said go out there again which I did okay

2041
01:30:53,649 --> 01:30:47,210
well 15 minutes later guess what appears

2042
01:30:55,530 --> 01:30:53,659
a hundred feet above us okay an object

2043
01:30:58,660 --> 01:30:55,540
that was twice the size of a school bus

2044
01:31:01,930 --> 01:30:58,670
okay that flew directly right above us

2045
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:01,940
100 meters above us it was like the moon

2046
01:31:06,220 --> 01:31:04,610
except it was very long and one guy goes

2047
01:31:08,830 --> 01:31:06,230
look it's got no wings it's got no wings

2048
01:31:10,839 --> 01:31:08,840
okay so that's what happens when you get

2049
01:31:13,359 --> 01:31:10,849
you know hardcore experiences together

2050
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:13,369
and mike is a hardcore experiencer and

2051
01:31:21,310 --> 01:31:17,810
and again new york times please you go

2052
01:31:24,189 --> 01:31:21,320
into the wrong sources my friends okay I

2053
01:31:26,740 --> 01:31:24,199
wanted to ask you what do you think the

2054
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:26,750
takeaway is for your wife regarding what

2055
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:31,489
happened to her do you think that I can

2056
01:31:35,319 --> 01:31:33,530
imagine it it actually changed her in

2057
01:31:39,430 --> 01:31:35,329
many ways but what's the moral of the

2058
01:31:40,810 --> 01:31:39,440
story for her well it's very very

2059
01:31:42,430 --> 01:31:40,820
difficult first of all she doesn't want

2060
01:31:45,910 --> 01:31:42,440
to talk about these things because to

2061
01:31:48,550 --> 01:31:45,920
her it all reverts back to God revert

2062
01:31:50,700 --> 01:31:48,560
back to source and I agree with her okay

2063
01:31:52,930 --> 01:31:50,710
except she sees it through a religiously

2064
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:52,940
semi-religious let's not the full

2065
01:31:57,250 --> 01:31:54,530
hardcore Catholic religious

2066
01:31:59,649 --> 01:31:57,260
because he's seen the UFOs you see the

2067
01:32:01,660 --> 01:31:59,659
crabs she's seen these entities so she

2068
01:32:04,450 --> 01:32:01,670
knows we're not just talking about the

2069
01:32:06,250 --> 01:32:04,460
the Bible verbatim we're talking a

2070
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:06,260
little bit more complex than than the

2071
01:32:11,140 --> 01:32:09,050
Bible okay but she says that the way

2072
01:32:12,939 --> 01:32:11,150
that she sees she grew up going to the

2073
01:32:15,399 --> 01:32:12,949
church since she was little

2074
01:32:17,799 --> 01:32:15,409
okay they lived in the church you know

2075
01:32:19,419 --> 01:32:17,809
her family so that's how her way of

2076
01:32:22,270 --> 01:32:19,429
connecting with God okay

2077
01:32:23,890 --> 01:32:22,280
and so she tells me that look you know I

2078
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:23,900
understand that this is full of

2079
01:32:27,549 --> 01:32:25,489
that that is full of you know the

2080
01:32:29,830 --> 01:32:27,559
priestess the priests that whatever but

2081
01:32:32,109 --> 01:32:29,840
from her own perspective that's how she

2082
01:32:33,279 --> 01:32:32,119
is able to communicate but she also she

2083
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:33,289
can be killed him in the case with God

2084
01:32:37,510 --> 01:32:34,730
all the time right here in her house

2085
01:32:39,339 --> 01:32:37,520
she goes outside she hugs trees she

2086
01:32:43,689 --> 01:32:39,349
never kills any animals just like I do

2087
01:32:46,390 --> 01:32:43,699
even little bugs even ants okay I mean

2088
01:32:49,060 --> 01:32:46,400
she loves animals plants he doesn't

2089
01:32:51,250 --> 01:32:49,070
destroy any plans whatever because she

2090
01:32:53,589 --> 01:32:51,260
knows that there's God in into them okay

2091
01:32:56,020 --> 01:32:53,599
now these are not purely religious

2092
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:56,030
Catholic religious types of concepts you

2093
01:33:00,129 --> 01:32:57,530
know these are more people that are

2094
01:33:02,770 --> 01:33:00,139
spiritually evolved so that's how my

2095
01:33:05,470 --> 01:33:02,780
wife is a very complex personality but

2096
01:33:08,350 --> 01:33:05,480
she doesn't want to talk about them just

2097
01:33:12,370 --> 01:33:08,360
like so many people because again it

2098
01:33:14,020 --> 01:33:12,380
gets from it takes her out of the plane

2099
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:14,030
of reality of dealing with our daughter

2100
01:33:19,330 --> 01:33:16,250
raising our daughter you know having to

2101
01:33:22,149 --> 01:33:19,340
deal with our reality it gets her out of

2102
01:33:25,180 --> 01:33:22,159
the comfort zone so a question I have

2103
01:33:27,459 --> 01:33:25,190
for you is a person who may find

2104
01:33:29,290 --> 01:33:27,469
themselves in your position years ago

2105
01:33:32,950 --> 01:33:29,300
where your mind was trying to wrap

2106
01:33:35,500 --> 01:33:32,960
itself around this strange sir reality

2107
01:33:37,029 --> 01:33:35,510
that was happening to you where the

2108
01:33:38,979 --> 01:33:37,039
person you loved disappeared for a

2109
01:33:41,049 --> 01:33:38,989
moment and then you saw a strange being

2110
01:33:44,589 --> 01:33:41,059
that was translucent and then it seems

2111
01:33:46,149 --> 01:33:44,599
solid or more solid and you had these

2112
01:33:47,740 --> 01:33:46,159
strange experiences that occurred

2113
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:47,750
multiple times throughout from that

2114
01:33:54,189 --> 01:33:50,690
point on forward when that happens to a

2115
01:33:56,890 --> 01:33:54,199
person and they can't they can't deal

2116
01:33:58,779 --> 01:33:56,900
with it what advice do you have to give

2117
01:34:00,490 --> 01:33:58,789
to them can they reach out to your

2118
01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:00,500
organization so they can learn more

2119
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:04,489
about what's going on yes we used to

2120
01:34:10,060 --> 01:34:07,610
have many volunteers

2121
01:34:12,310 --> 01:34:10,070
again it's it's a lot of work trying to

2122
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:12,320
maintain that going and I tell people

2123
01:34:18,370 --> 01:34:15,170
just shoot me an email I'll send you the

2124
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:18,380
free copy of chapter one okay so you can

2125
01:34:23,290 --> 01:34:21,170
read it's 120 pages I will send you a

2126
01:34:26,020 --> 01:34:23,300
five page summary of our research

2127
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:26,030
findings I will send you a copy of our

2128
01:34:29,230 --> 01:34:28,130
peer reviewed publication that we've

2129
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:29,240
published okay

2130
01:34:33,550 --> 01:34:31,370
and I will even talk to you you know

2131
01:34:36,150 --> 01:34:33,560
people who every week I talk to you like

2132
01:34:38,380 --> 01:34:36,160
I told you I was a matter-of-fact

2133
01:34:40,810 --> 01:34:38,390
organism tomorrow and speaking with

2134
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:40,820
another medical doctor in let me just

2135
01:34:44,770 --> 01:34:42,290
tell you she's from Australia

2136
01:34:48,610 --> 01:34:44,780
yeah she's a retired medical doctor from

2137
01:34:50,230 --> 01:34:48,620
Australia okay two weeks ago I spoke to

2138
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:50,240
a retired medical doctor that lives in

2139
01:34:54,910 --> 01:34:52,610
New Hampshire okay

2140
01:34:58,750 --> 01:34:54,920
the pediatrician lives in a Midwestern

2141
01:35:00,580 --> 01:34:58,760
state okay she's in her early 60s I mean

2142
01:35:04,540 --> 01:35:00,590
I could go on and on people call me all

2143
01:35:07,330 --> 01:35:04,550
the time and and again people call me

2144
01:35:09,130 --> 01:35:07,340
you know wanting someone to talk so want

2145
01:35:11,740 --> 01:35:09,140
trying to get answers to all of this and

2146
01:35:13,630 --> 01:35:11,750
what I thought is that looking the

2147
01:35:15,790 --> 01:35:13,640
world's biggest jigsaw puzzle there

2148
01:35:17,710 --> 01:35:15,800
aren't any answers to this I could only

2149
01:35:20,350 --> 01:35:17,720
tell them what I and the other members

2150
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:20,360
of our free organization hypothesize and

2151
01:35:24,190 --> 01:35:22,010
the data from our research study that

2152
01:35:26,380 --> 01:35:24,200
this is not you know should not be seen

2153
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:26,390
as a scary phenomenon that the whole

2154
01:35:31,060 --> 01:35:27,890
whelming number of people has been

2155
01:35:32,260 --> 01:35:31,070
totally transformative over many many

2156
01:35:35,290 --> 01:35:32,270
years they see it as a positive

2157
01:35:37,480 --> 01:35:35,300
phenomenon initially 36% buted is

2158
01:35:40,450 --> 01:35:37,490
negative but then towards the end it's

2159
01:35:44,170 --> 01:35:40,460
less than 5% view it as highly negative

2160
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:44,180
okay and on and on and on so I try to

2161
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:45,770
tell people with thousands of people all

2162
01:35:49,540 --> 01:35:47,570
over the world you're saying so it

2163
01:35:53,190 --> 01:35:49,550
relieves their fear so you could send an

2164
01:35:56,500 --> 01:35:53,200
email to info at experienced or calm

2165
01:35:59,950 --> 01:35:56,510
info as you be or if info at experienced

2166
01:36:01,840 --> 01:35:59,960
org info at experienced org and I will

2167
01:36:03,550 --> 01:36:01,850
get your email and I will put you on our

2168
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:03,560
mailing list and I will send you a free

2169
01:36:09,850 --> 01:36:05,690
copy of our a hundred twenty page

2170
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:09,860
chapter one from our 820 page book the

2171
01:36:15,850 --> 01:36:12,530
name of our book is titled beyond UFOs

2172
01:36:18,750 --> 01:36:15,860
that's beyond UFOs the science of

2173
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:18,760
consciousness and contact with non-human

2174
01:36:22,140 --> 01:36:20,410
intelligence

2175
01:36:24,150 --> 01:36:22,150
and that's available through Amazon

2176
01:36:26,940 --> 01:36:24,160
we've got the second book coming out

2177
01:36:29,070 --> 01:36:26,950
yeah you stay for that yeah let me go to

2178
01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:29,080
the website our website is down is down

2179
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:31,450
now it should be back up in a couple of

2180
01:36:35,850 --> 01:36:33,610
days because we're working I was gonna

2181
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:35,860
ask you about that yeah yeah our website

2182
01:36:42,150 --> 01:36:38,730
is consciousness and contact org

2183
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:42,160
consciousness and contact dot org we

2184
01:36:46,950 --> 01:36:44,410
have numerous articles they're written

2185
01:36:49,500 --> 01:36:46,960
by both experiencers and researchers and

2186
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:49,510
we have much of our data on our website

2187
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:51,370
and you could also download not only

2188
01:36:55,650 --> 01:36:54,010
chapter one but also many other chapters

2189
01:36:58,370 --> 01:36:55,660
one is the chapter on medical healings

2190
01:37:02,790 --> 01:36:58,380
that was written by Preston Dennett and

2191
01:37:06,890 --> 01:37:02,800
dr. Joseph Burks and also you can

2192
01:37:09,810 --> 01:37:06,900
download the chapter by the late

2193
01:37:12,480 --> 01:37:09,820
Godfather of the paranormal Brad Steiger

2194
01:37:16,650 --> 01:37:12,490
he wrote the conclusion to our book Brad

2195
01:37:18,450 --> 01:37:16,660
wrote more than 220 books mainly on on

2196
01:37:20,270 --> 01:37:18,460
everything of the cont involving the

2197
01:37:22,950 --> 01:37:20,280
contact models from UFOs to

2198
01:37:25,050 --> 01:37:22,960
reincarnation to ghosts and spirits that

2199
01:37:26,610 --> 01:37:25,060
the whole works you know out-of-body

2200
01:37:28,650 --> 01:37:26,620
experiences near-death experience

2201
01:37:31,830 --> 01:37:28,660
that was our Brad Steiger he wrote that

2202
01:37:33,270 --> 01:37:31,840
book so so yes please do reach out to me

2203
01:37:35,940 --> 01:37:33,280
I will send you the free copy of that

2204
01:37:38,100 --> 01:37:35,950
chapter and and I will certainly chat

2205
01:37:40,820 --> 01:37:38,110
with you now in my case for an entire

2206
01:37:43,110 --> 01:37:40,830
year I had no one to talk to okay

2207
01:37:46,380 --> 01:37:43,120
my experience has lasted approximately

2208
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:46,390
two years okay but in those two years it

2209
01:37:52,110 --> 01:37:49,330
was like you know 63 years of

2210
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:52,120
experiences compacted into those two

2211
01:37:57,090 --> 01:37:54,610
years there was non-stop non-stop to the

2212
01:38:00,240 --> 01:37:57,100
point where after I hadn't experienced

2213
01:38:02,790 --> 01:38:00,250
that involved reincarnation past lives

2214
01:38:06,270 --> 01:38:02,800
and mission here on earth okay I just

2215
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:06,280
freaked out and I began to get drunk for

2216
01:38:12,870 --> 01:38:09,520
an entire week okay I just couldn't

2217
01:38:15,710 --> 01:38:12,880
handle it anymore until whatever this

2218
01:38:20,910 --> 01:38:15,720
intelligence is that's working with me

2219
01:38:24,020 --> 01:38:20,920
managed to to send me a savior I will

2220
01:38:27,510 --> 01:38:24,030
get into these details okay but it's a

2221
01:38:30,150 --> 01:38:27,520
someone that basically got me back on

2222
01:38:33,119 --> 01:38:30,160
track and this person was another

2223
01:38:36,270 --> 01:38:33,129
high-profile experiencer

2224
01:38:38,699 --> 01:38:36,280
all right right and you know I actually

2225
01:38:41,279 --> 01:38:38,709
had the pleasure of interviewing you

2226
01:38:44,759 --> 01:38:41,289
earlier I think it was last year and

2227
01:38:46,349 --> 01:38:44,769
what I had done was up I had heard about

2228
01:38:47,790 --> 01:38:46,359
you for many people and heard such

2229
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:47,800
wonderful things about you they have

2230
01:38:53,129 --> 01:38:49,449
nothing but the deepest respect for you

2231
01:38:54,899 --> 01:38:53,139
and I really wanted to interview you so

2232
01:38:56,639 --> 01:38:54,909
what I asked you is if I could do a

2233
01:38:58,889 --> 01:38:56,649
text-based interview and just submit

2234
01:39:01,080 --> 01:38:58,899
questions to you and you were so kind

2235
01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:01,090
you actually went over them very

2236
01:39:06,299 --> 01:39:03,489
carefully in a very thoughtful manner

2237
01:39:08,489 --> 01:39:06,309
and answered as many as you felt were

2238
01:39:10,859 --> 01:39:08,499
relevant to what you and the free

2239
01:39:13,589 --> 01:39:10,869
organization does and they just want to

2240
01:39:15,540 --> 01:39:13,599
really thank you for having done that no

2241
01:39:18,089 --> 01:39:15,550
no thank you for giving me the

2242
01:39:21,869 --> 01:39:18,099
opportunity because what we're trying to

2243
01:39:25,199 --> 01:39:21,879
do that both of you know is to create a

2244
01:39:27,779 --> 01:39:25,209
new paradigm we're presenting a new

2245
01:39:29,969 --> 01:39:27,789
paradigm of our reality and a new

2246
01:39:33,029 --> 01:39:29,979
paradigm of viewing these paranormal

2247
01:39:35,129 --> 01:39:33,039
experiences and it's totally radical and

2248
01:39:37,379 --> 01:39:35,139
it's very very difficult to understand I

2249
01:39:39,659 --> 01:39:37,389
mean when you're talking that

2250
01:39:43,319 --> 01:39:39,669
consciousness is primary that's some

2251
01:39:44,969 --> 01:39:43,329
deep okay that people have a very

2252
01:39:47,909 --> 01:39:44,979
difficult time of wrapping themselves

2253
01:39:53,339 --> 01:39:47,919
around with and just like this very

2254
01:39:54,839 --> 01:39:53,349
prominent speaker in the UFO field you

2255
01:39:57,359 --> 01:39:54,849
know whenever you hear someone talking

2256
01:39:59,969 --> 01:39:57,369
about the paranormal aspects of it

2257
01:40:01,649 --> 01:39:59,979
totally dismissive of it because oh

2258
01:40:03,299 --> 01:40:01,659
that's not science that's not real

2259
01:40:06,209 --> 01:40:03,309
science that's impossible you know and

2260
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:06,219
this is a guy that appears that most of

2261
01:40:10,469 --> 01:40:08,530
these major UFO conferences and he just

2262
01:40:14,719 --> 01:40:10,479
repeats the same historical

2263
01:40:17,779 --> 01:40:14,729
over and over again okay and so the

2264
01:40:20,669 --> 01:40:17,789
someone that's such a materialist

2265
01:40:22,290 --> 01:40:20,679
nuts-and-bolts person trying to act like

2266
01:40:23,969 --> 01:40:22,300
he's the world's authority on this topic

2267
01:40:26,790 --> 01:40:23,979
I looked that guy straight in the eye

2268
01:40:30,229 --> 01:40:26,800
and I and I say to myself you are

2269
01:40:32,790 --> 01:40:30,239
freakin clueless you know and so by you

2270
01:40:34,649 --> 01:40:32,800
allowing me to do that allows me the

2271
01:40:37,949 --> 01:40:34,659
opportunity to present this totally

2272
01:40:40,589 --> 01:40:37,959
radical visionary way of viewing or

2273
01:40:42,569 --> 01:40:40,599
reality and it's not my way either this

2274
01:40:45,389 --> 01:40:42,579
is all the members of our board of

2275
01:40:46,490 --> 01:40:45,399
directors mainly PhD academics at the

2276
01:40:49,310 --> 01:40:46,500
highest level

2277
01:40:52,010 --> 01:40:49,320
and thousands of experiencers high-level

2278
01:40:54,590 --> 01:40:52,020
experiences that are living paranormal

2279
01:40:56,330 --> 01:40:54,600
realities wanted to mention somebody at

2280
01:40:59,180 --> 01:40:56,340
when I asked you during that text-based

2281
01:41:01,340 --> 01:40:59,190
interview I'll go ahead and repeat the

2282
01:41:03,590 --> 01:41:01,350
question I asked you and that was where

2283
01:41:05,030 --> 01:41:03,600
some of the iconic ufologists you admire

2284
01:41:07,370 --> 01:41:05,040
and respect regarding their serious

2285
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:07,380
research by the way that term ufologists

2286
01:41:11,060 --> 01:41:10,080
I'm sorry to have used that but I should

2287
01:41:12,110 --> 01:41:11,070
have just said who are some of the

2288
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:12,120
people that you admire and respect

2289
01:41:18,860 --> 01:41:14,130
regarding their serious research and

2290
01:41:24,200 --> 01:41:18,870
that is dr. Jacques Vallee yes most

2291
01:41:29,540 --> 01:41:24,210
definitely 110% he tell us why because

2292
01:41:31,820 --> 01:41:29,550
over 40 years ago he said I do not

2293
01:41:35,780 --> 01:41:31,830
believe that what we're dealing with is

2294
01:41:38,930 --> 01:41:35,790
ET okay we're that we're dealing with

2295
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:38,940
some type of physical entity that comes

2296
01:41:46,310 --> 01:41:43,130
from some type of physical planet okay

2297
01:41:48,860 --> 01:41:46,320
what he hypothesized and he never said

2298
01:41:51,310 --> 01:41:48,870
it directly he always said it indirectly

2299
01:41:53,510 --> 01:41:51,320
that we're dealing with some

2300
01:41:55,960 --> 01:41:53,520
consciousness based non-human

2301
01:41:58,550 --> 01:41:55,970
intelligence that's might be

2302
01:42:02,120 --> 01:41:58,560
multi-dimensional and the best way of

2303
01:42:04,460 --> 01:42:02,130
him phrasing this is that is that we

2304
01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:04,470
just don't understand space time

2305
01:42:10,130 --> 01:42:07,410
he said that in numerous of interviews

2306
01:42:12,350 --> 01:42:10,140
we just do not understand space-time now

2307
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:12,360
what did he mean by that what he meant

2308
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:14,250
was that these experiences that we're

2309
01:42:19,790 --> 01:42:16,800
dealing with involves a manipulation of

2310
01:42:22,670 --> 01:42:19,800
of space-time of both space which means

2311
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:22,680
like a multi-dimensional aspect and time

2312
01:42:27,860 --> 01:42:26,010
that we're not dealing with that we're

2313
01:42:31,130 --> 01:42:27,870
dealing with the past president future

2314
01:42:33,440 --> 01:42:31,140
simultaneously okay so that involves

2315
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:33,450
being possibility of reincarnation of

2316
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:37,290
the future and of the past and now that

2317
01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:40,410
there is no now okay because there is no

2318
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:44,370
time so valet had it down pat he also

2319
01:42:49,940 --> 01:42:46,890
said that that this is a program as

2320
01:42:53,660 --> 01:42:49,950
being undertaken okay a program on

2321
01:42:55,070 --> 01:42:53,670
humanity now a program can be involved

2322
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:55,080
that there is some non-human

2323
01:42:57,500 --> 01:42:56,730
intelligence whatever you might call it

2324
01:43:00,049 --> 01:42:57,510
source

2325
01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:00,059
okay the universal mind whatever

2326
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:03,210
that's interacting with humanity via in

2327
01:43:07,100 --> 01:43:06,000
terms of a changing of an evolution so

2328
01:43:10,370 --> 01:43:07,110
what they're doing is that they're

2329
01:43:12,740 --> 01:43:10,380
slowly changing and evolving us okay so

2330
01:43:15,229 --> 01:43:12,750
he understood it that a program is

2331
01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:15,239
taking place and I agree with that okay

2332
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:18,239
and and I think the program is a program

2333
01:43:22,250 --> 01:43:21,050
for us to avoid our self-destruction

2334
01:43:24,109 --> 01:43:22,260
okay

2335
01:43:26,660 --> 01:43:24,119
for us to become more loving with each

2336
01:43:28,220 --> 01:43:26,670
other less materialistic to protect our

2337
01:43:29,209 --> 01:43:28,230
planet exactly those changes that I

2338
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:29,219
talked about okay

2339
01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:31,170
I think what they did is that they did

2340
01:43:35,990 --> 01:43:33,570
an experiment of just a few people okay

2341
01:43:39,140 --> 01:43:36,000
of a small sample to see if it works

2342
01:43:42,350 --> 01:43:39,150
and and lo and behold it is working very

2343
01:43:45,229 --> 01:43:42,360
very well so my perspective now let's do

2344
01:43:47,660 --> 01:43:45,239
it on everybody now okay because if not

2345
01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:47,670
we as humans are not going to be lasting

2346
01:43:52,160 --> 01:43:50,610
on this life long life I'm pretty much

2347
01:43:53,930 --> 01:43:52,170
longer I think the New York Times came

2348
01:43:56,209 --> 01:43:53,940
out one of the very few things that they

2349
01:43:57,560 --> 01:43:56,219
did that that was good and they came out

2350
01:44:00,229 --> 01:43:57,570
with an article a couple of weeks ago

2351
01:44:03,890 --> 01:44:00,239
talked about more than 1 million species

2352
01:44:09,740 --> 01:44:03,900
of wildlife and plant life that's going

2353
01:44:12,049 --> 01:44:09,750
extinct right now 1 million ok as we

2354
01:44:14,959 --> 01:44:12,059
speak so imagine that over the next

2355
01:44:17,299 --> 01:44:14,969
hundred years ok we talked about you

2356
01:44:19,939 --> 01:44:17,309
know the elephant the the lion the big

2357
01:44:21,649 --> 01:44:19,949
game becoming totally extinct ok

2358
01:44:23,270 --> 01:44:21,659
I think Botswana it's just a little ha

2359
01:44:25,549 --> 01:44:23,280
elephant hunting again

2360
01:44:27,319 --> 01:44:25,559
give me a break how many elephants are

2361
01:44:30,709 --> 01:44:27,329
there alive in this world but because

2362
01:44:32,779 --> 01:44:30,719
some some king of politician about Swan

2363
01:44:34,580 --> 01:44:32,789
is getting paid under the table you know

2364
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:34,590
hundreds of thousands of dollars from

2365
01:44:38,870 --> 01:44:36,210
this rich white man to go over there and

2366
01:44:42,109 --> 01:44:38,880
to kill an elephant to cut off its head

2367
01:44:43,549 --> 01:44:42,119
and put it on his living room you know I

2368
01:44:45,229 --> 01:44:43,559
mean that that's what we're dealing with

2369
01:44:48,020 --> 01:44:45,239
we're dealing with the total destruction

2370
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:48,030
of our planet and and I think they want

2371
01:44:52,669 --> 01:44:49,770
us to become more spiritual become more

2372
01:44:54,290 --> 01:44:52,679
loving more consciously aware that we

2373
01:44:55,700 --> 01:44:54,300
don't just live in a physical reality

2374
01:44:58,370 --> 01:44:55,710
that will much more complex than that

2375
01:45:00,560 --> 01:44:58,380
and so I think that's the agenda of

2376
01:45:03,049 --> 01:45:00,570
what's taking place well I wanted to

2377
01:45:06,319 --> 01:45:03,059
before I say goodbye and wrap up the

2378
01:45:07,970 --> 01:45:06,329
show in also ask Frank there's anything

2379
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:07,980
else he house that lets you know that

2380
01:45:14,010 --> 01:45:11,130
Chris Bledsoe actually contacted me back

2381
01:45:16,440 --> 01:45:14,020
and said to say hello to you

2382
01:45:19,950 --> 01:45:16,450
I'll tell Chris and his wife that I love

2383
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:19,960
them both I did actually and he better

2384
01:45:25,110 --> 01:45:21,850
get his ass down to Miami and give me a

2385
01:45:27,930 --> 01:45:25,120
call next time me next time I will tell

2386
01:45:30,900 --> 01:45:27,940
him that and I also just want to let

2387
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:30,910
everybody know that the dr. Edgar

2388
01:45:34,050 --> 01:45:32,650
Mitchell foundation for research into

2389
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:34,060
extraterrestrial and extraordinary

2390
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:37,810
experiences or also known as free he ray

2391
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:40,090
adnan the stairs on the research

2392
01:45:45,270 --> 01:45:43,450
committee for that and just wanted to

2393
01:45:47,550 --> 01:45:45,280
ask you are there any other things that

2394
01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:47,560
you can share with people about free you

2395
01:45:50,910 --> 01:45:49,210
shared the website you did say it's down

2396
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:50,920
temporarily for maintenance it will go

2397
01:45:55,020 --> 01:45:53,290
back up so everybody needs to understand

2398
01:45:57,060 --> 01:45:55,030
that if they go to the website it may

2399
01:45:58,890 --> 01:45:57,070
just show that it's down temporarily but

2400
01:46:01,650 --> 01:45:58,900
it will be active again in a few days

2401
01:46:03,180 --> 01:46:01,660
and then also he did share his email

2402
01:46:04,710 --> 01:46:03,190
address so you can contact him directly

2403
01:46:06,480 --> 01:46:04,720
he'll go ahead and say that again before

2404
01:46:08,040 --> 01:46:06,490
we get off the air and Frank did you

2405
01:46:10,470 --> 01:46:08,050
have anything else that you wanted to

2406
01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:10,480
add we just wanted to tell ray how much

2407
01:46:16,530 --> 01:46:12,850
I enjoyed having day you back on with us

2408
01:46:18,330 --> 01:46:16,540
again like really love the speculation I

2409
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:18,340
mean that that part of it is fun you

2410
01:46:21,420 --> 01:46:19,770
know kicking around some of these ideas

2411
01:46:24,030 --> 01:46:21,430
it's wild

2412
01:46:25,980 --> 01:46:24,040
we don't understand it and you know

2413
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:25,990
you're not that coming on saying well oh

2414
01:46:30,330 --> 01:46:28,570
yeah definitely it's this way or that

2415
01:46:32,670 --> 01:46:30,340
way it's like yeah you're speculating

2416
01:46:34,110 --> 01:46:32,680
but I think speculation is a good thing

2417
01:46:37,170 --> 01:46:34,120
I think that we've got to do a lot of it

2418
01:46:38,790 --> 01:46:37,180
it's just got to be reasonable and you

2419
01:46:41,220 --> 01:46:38,800
know just be clear that what you're

2420
01:46:42,690 --> 01:46:41,230
doing is speculating and as long as you

2421
01:46:45,660 --> 01:46:42,700
do that and say okay in my book

2422
01:46:48,300 --> 01:46:45,670
well the speculation that I've done is

2423
01:46:51,330 --> 01:46:48,310
based off what thousands of experiencers

2424
01:46:54,060 --> 01:46:51,340
have told us yep yep okay for example I

2425
01:46:57,240 --> 01:46:54,070
know that a matrix reality exists

2426
01:46:58,790 --> 01:46:57,250
because I went there I know my friend

2427
01:47:00,780 --> 01:46:58,800
Alberto has gone there and I know

2428
01:47:02,820 --> 01:47:00,790
thousands of other people that took our

2429
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:02,830
survey have gone there I know

2430
01:47:07,470 --> 01:47:04,930
nd experiences have gone to a matrix

2431
01:47:11,210 --> 01:47:07,480
reality except it was through an NDE

2432
01:47:13,740 --> 01:47:11,220
okay so there's certain things that are

2433
01:47:16,980 --> 01:47:13,750
speculation but they're based upon fact

2434
01:47:18,990 --> 01:47:16,990
yeah but people are saying okay yeah we

2435
01:47:22,290 --> 01:47:19,000
also know we're regarding a multiverse

2436
01:47:27,020 --> 01:47:22,300
that all PhD physicists all of them

2437
01:47:29,700 --> 01:47:27,030
adhere to a multiverse theory okay

2438
01:47:31,500 --> 01:47:29,710
rudely shields told me he says ray if

2439
01:47:34,350 --> 01:47:31,510
you graduated with a PhD in theoretical

2440
01:47:36,150 --> 01:47:34,360
physics today you are an adherent to a

2441
01:47:38,480 --> 01:47:36,160
multiverse theory okay

2442
01:47:41,550 --> 01:47:38,490
so it means that all these high-level

2443
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:41,560
PhD theoretical physicists they all know

2444
01:47:46,170 --> 01:47:43,530
that we don't live in just one reality

2445
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:46,180
okay but yet we're the totally clueless

2446
01:47:50,940 --> 01:47:49,090
ones okay and we've got these

2447
01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:50,950
materialists saying oh that's full of

2448
01:47:54,570 --> 01:47:52,930
because that's not real but yet you

2449
01:47:56,730 --> 01:47:54,580
got this three physicist from MIT

2450
01:47:58,800 --> 01:47:56,740
talking about a simulation reality and

2451
01:48:01,320 --> 01:47:58,810
all the theoretical physics all around

2452
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:01,330
world you know understanding that we

2453
01:48:06,620 --> 01:48:04,090
live in a multiverse so you know who's

2454
01:48:09,260 --> 01:48:06,630
talking and who is not okay

2455
01:48:12,990 --> 01:48:09,270
I'll go with the theoretical physicists

2456
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:13,000
instead of with mainstream nuts and

2457
01:48:24,660 --> 01:48:20,850
Chris did get your message and he will

2458
01:48:26,430 --> 01:48:24,670
get back to you on it people know is

2459
01:48:29,180 --> 01:48:26,440
that for a year and a half we've been

2460
01:48:33,450 --> 01:48:29,190
working on a science-based documentary

2461
01:48:35,670 --> 01:48:33,460
okay and we've been interviewing a whole

2462
01:48:39,180 --> 01:48:35,680
boatload of scientists and experiencers

2463
01:48:41,340 --> 01:48:39,190
again to present this new theory it's

2464
01:48:43,530 --> 01:48:41,350
going to involve the same topic as our

2465
01:48:45,810 --> 01:48:43,540
book that's that we're gonna try to make

2466
01:48:47,250 --> 01:48:45,820
it entertaining and present the science

2467
01:48:49,170 --> 01:48:47,260
physics of this reality that we're

2468
01:48:52,110 --> 01:48:49,180
dealing with through scientists and

2469
01:48:54,090 --> 01:48:52,120
through experiences because they're both

2470
01:48:55,820 --> 01:48:54,100
saying the same thing except they're

2471
01:48:58,170 --> 01:48:55,830
saying it a little bit differently

2472
01:48:59,760 --> 01:48:58,180
understand I do know that you gave two

2473
01:49:03,480 --> 01:48:59,770
lectures I believe in Los Angeles on

2474
01:49:07,170 --> 01:49:03,490
January 15th and 16th of this year and I

2475
01:49:08,610 --> 01:49:07,180
think that was at you pars LA you did a

2476
01:49:10,650 --> 01:49:08,620
lecture on what is the relationship

2477
01:49:13,020 --> 01:49:10,660
between consciousness or cosmology in

2478
01:49:15,090 --> 01:49:13,030
contact with non-human intelligence via

2479
01:49:15,690 --> 01:49:15,100
the contact modalities isn't that

2480
01:49:18,870 --> 01:49:15,700
correct

2481
01:49:22,410 --> 01:49:18,880
yes and this weekend I will be at

2482
01:49:23,880 --> 01:49:22,420
contact in the desert and I know it's

2483
01:49:26,730 --> 01:49:23,890
not Palm Springs but it's one of those

2484
01:49:30,950 --> 01:49:26,740
desert communities just look up contact

2485
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:30,960
in the desert I will also be speaking at

2486
01:49:39,570 --> 01:49:35,530
alien UFO Con in Knoxville Tennessee in

2487
01:49:40,530 --> 01:49:39,580
the second week of August the first week

2488
01:49:44,010 --> 01:49:40,540
of August

2489
01:49:45,930 --> 01:49:44,020
be speaking in Hong Kong to a major UFO

2490
01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:45,940
conference last year they had a thousand

2491
01:49:51,900 --> 01:49:48,489
three hundred people that will be there

2492
01:49:53,430 --> 01:49:51,910
and again it's going to be an awkward

2493
01:49:59,850 --> 01:49:53,440
situation because the another main

2494
01:50:02,130 --> 01:49:59,860
speaker is uh Laura Eisenhower so you

2495
01:50:06,270 --> 01:50:02,140
already know you know my way of seeing

2496
01:50:12,330 --> 01:50:06,280
things and then also I will be speaking

2497
01:50:14,930 --> 01:50:12,340
again in Los Angeles at at the goodness

2498
01:50:22,590 --> 01:50:14,940
I always get the name wrong Neil Gore's

2499
01:50:25,770 --> 01:50:22,600
organization which is forgive me Neil

2500
01:50:27,810 --> 01:50:25,780
but it's ascension the ascension

2501
01:50:31,260 --> 01:50:27,820
conference in Los Angeles and that

2502
01:50:34,890 --> 01:50:31,270
portal to ascension portal yep and and

2503
01:50:37,680 --> 01:50:34,900
that'll be the first week of of October

2504
01:50:40,650 --> 01:50:37,690
portal to ascension and that's in Irvine

2505
01:50:42,330 --> 01:50:40,660
California so the four major conferences

2506
01:50:45,570 --> 01:50:42,340
that I'll be speaking at this year and

2507
01:50:47,430 --> 01:50:45,580
plus the the free organization we've had

2508
01:50:50,220 --> 01:50:47,440
two conferences over the last two years

2509
01:50:54,450 --> 01:50:50,230
here in Miami and this year we're gonna

2510
01:50:56,189 --> 01:50:54,460
have a conference in the first either

2511
01:50:59,970 --> 01:50:56,199
the first week of the second week of our

2512
01:51:04,850 --> 01:50:59,980
of November and our featured speaker is

2513
01:51:18,209 --> 01:51:14,700
and we'll have other experiences tell

2514
01:51:24,870 --> 01:51:18,219
her we said hello and vikon us tell her

2515
01:51:26,370 --> 01:51:24,880
I said that okay okay wonderful well I'm

2516
01:51:27,870 --> 01:51:26,380
very glad that you were able to let us

2517
01:51:30,540 --> 01:51:27,880
know about that portal to ascension

2518
01:51:32,189 --> 01:51:30,550
Conference 2019 I'll go ahead and I did

2519
01:51:34,979 --> 01:51:32,199
drop a couple links regarding the

2520
01:51:36,450 --> 01:51:34,989
conference's that she'll be at and we're

2521
01:51:38,820 --> 01:51:36,460
just so grateful to have had you on the

2522
01:51:40,709 --> 01:51:38,830
show tonight thank you for your having

2523
01:51:42,120 --> 01:51:40,719
taken the time to spend with us tonight

2524
01:51:44,070 --> 01:51:42,130
it's been a real treat and a pleasure

2525
01:51:46,290 --> 01:51:44,080
and a privilege yeah thanks again ray

2526
01:51:49,290 --> 01:51:46,300
appreciate it thank you and I apologize

2527
01:51:52,739 --> 01:51:49,300
for anyone that was offended by

2528
01:51:55,319 --> 01:51:52,749
[Laughter]

2529
01:51:57,149 --> 01:51:55,329
we're thrilled actually a we we actually

2530
01:51:59,549 --> 01:51:57,159
don't get the this kind of treat very

2531
01:52:01,859 --> 01:51:59,559
often so it was nice to be able to hear

2532
01:52:03,899 --> 01:52:01,869
what somebody really had to say and you

2533
01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:03,909
are not afraid to share what's on your

2534
01:52:08,069 --> 01:52:05,170
mind so we're grateful to you for that

2535
01:52:10,739 --> 01:52:08,079
thank you it was both entertaining and

2536
01:52:15,149 --> 01:52:10,749
educational so thank you thanks a lot

2537
01:52:15,689 --> 01:52:15,159
right okay good night everyone and there

2538
01:52:17,759 --> 01:52:15,699
we have it

2539
01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:17,769
another show in the books and we'll be